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knowledge = conspiracy
so if billy-bob knew, even after the fact, that the snitch talked about "stuff" then he may be held liable for being a co-conspirator with the snitch..
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Are we seeing a pattern here yet folks?
been happening in fedville for well over 20yrs that i know of..
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Well, what the hell do you know about that...
CIA can withhold records on Oklahoma City bombing
Federal court » Judge says documents are exempt from disclosure
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 03/30/2010 05:43:38 PM MDT
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14786362?source=email
A federal judge in Utah says the Central Intelligence Agency can withhold documents on the Oklahoma City bombing investigation and prosecution, agreeing that the records were properly withheld for national security and other reasons.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups reveals for the first time that the CIA worked with the Department of Justice on the bombing probe, according to Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who requested the records under the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
Twelve documents connected to the investigation were at issue, including an April 20, 1995, cable that outlines a prosecutor's attempt to extradite an "organized crime figure from another country." Other records include cables sent in April and May 1995 relaying information provided to a U.S. ambassador by a foreign official; information from a "foreign liason contact" that is classified as secret; and information from a foreign government about the possible identification of a suspect in the bombing.
The general descriptions were provided by the CIA in refusing Trentadue's FOIA requests for documents on potential involvement of foreign nationals in the attack. The lawyer -- who received some documents with only the name of the agency to which they were directed and others that were withheld entirely -- argues in his suit that the dozen documents should have been released to him.
CIA can withhold records on Oklahoma City bombing
Federal court » Judge says documents are exempt from disclosure
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 03/30/2010 05:43:38 PM MDT
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14786362?source=email
A federal judge in Utah says the Central Intelligence Agency can withhold documents on the Oklahoma City bombing investigation and prosecution, agreeing that the records were properly withheld for national security and other reasons.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups reveals for the first time that the CIA worked with the Department of Justice on the bombing probe, according to Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who requested the records under the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
Twelve documents connected to the investigation were at issue, including an April 20, 1995, cable that outlines a prosecutor's attempt to extradite an "organized crime figure from another country." Other records include cables sent in April and May 1995 relaying information provided to a U.S. ambassador by a foreign official; information from a "foreign liason contact" that is classified as secret; and information from a foreign government about the possible identification of a suspect in the bombing.
The general descriptions were provided by the CIA in refusing Trentadue's FOIA requests for documents on potential involvement of foreign nationals in the attack. The lawyer -- who received some documents with only the name of the agency to which they were directed and others that were withheld entirely -- argues in his suit that the dozen documents should have been released to him.
The corruption of our legal system stinks to high heaven. Judges "rule" with seeming impunity that the federal government has some unquestionable right to hide behind the ruse of "national security".
Personally, I'm sick of it. Individual states don't need any more justification or evidence for seceding from this unholy union. IMO, the second Civil War is already in progress. We're simply in the initial states, e.g. nullification of unconstitutional federal legislation. Even the masses are beginning to sense the need for selecting a side in this Civil War. Daily, I hear people muttering about the federal government and the need for all of the guns and these people are common folk... everywhere.
Does anyone want to publicly speculate about the name of the FBI informant?
I have my guess.
Personally, I'm sick of it. Individual states don't need any more justification or evidence for seceding from this unholy union. IMO, the second Civil War is already in progress. We're simply in the initial states, e.g. nullification of unconstitutional federal legislation. Even the masses are beginning to sense the need for selecting a side in this Civil War. Daily, I hear people muttering about the federal government and the need for all of the guns and these people are common folk... everywhere.
Does anyone want to publicly speculate about the name of the FBI informant?
I have my guess.
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pcosmar
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Does anyone want to publicly speculate about the name of the FBI informant?
The guy that was going to meet up with the Ky. militias. The one that reportedly didn't make it.
Someone in Ky. knows who this is.
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Not sure how accurate, I never heard of this source but................
http://www.fuckfrance.com/topic/366...es-appear-to-be-a-fucking-joke.html&replies=5
The bail hearing is in recess, and here are some reports from it so far..
Stone’s speech was clandestinely recorded on Feb. 6 in a vehicle as members of the group were headed to Kentucky for a meeting with other militia groups, the prosecutor said, adding that Stone’s remarks were part of a speech he planned to deliver at a gathering in Kentucky.
According to prosecutors, on the way back from Kentucky, David Stone Sr. pointed out a Hudson, Mich., police officer who had pulled someone over and said: “We’re going to pop him, guaranteed.”
Someone else in the van mentioned the Hudson police department was a small force, prompting a reply from Stone: “We’ll pop every one of them.”
The new information about the group came out during the detention hearing at the federal courthouse in Detroit in which Scheer is to decide whether the eight are to remain jailed pending trial. A ninth member of the group appeared Tuesday in federal court in Indiana and was to be transferred to Michigan.
Several members of the group are charged with seditious conspiracy, use of weapons of mass destruction, and knowingly transferring arms used in violent crimes.
Newly court-appointed defense lawyers repeatedly objected to Waterstreet’s allegations made during the hearing. The defense lawyers said the government should be forced to put an agent on the witness stand, and subject to cross-examination, so the magistrate could more thoroughly weigh the credibility of the claims.
Scheer repeatedly overruled such objections.
Stone’s lawyer, William Swor, of Detroit sought to mitigate the government’s claims, arguing, “All they’re saying is my client has opinions and knows how to use his mouth.”
Swor argued that Waterstreet had presented no evidence of a crime or justification for the magistrate to conclude that the defendants represented a danger to the community or a risk of flight if they were released.
It is not yet clear who the agent was who infiltrated the group or how he apparently gained the group’s confidence.
During the weekend raids at Stone’s home, agents seized more than 300 pieces of evidence, including explosives, bomb components and shrapnel, Waterstone said.
The hearing is under way. Both sides are in a brief recess.
http://www.fuckfrance.com/topic/366...es-appear-to-be-a-fucking-joke.html&replies=5
The bail hearing is in recess, and here are some reports from it so far..
Stone’s speech was clandestinely recorded on Feb. 6 in a vehicle as members of the group were headed to Kentucky for a meeting with other militia groups, the prosecutor said, adding that Stone’s remarks were part of a speech he planned to deliver at a gathering in Kentucky.
According to prosecutors, on the way back from Kentucky, David Stone Sr. pointed out a Hudson, Mich., police officer who had pulled someone over and said: “We’re going to pop him, guaranteed.”
Someone else in the van mentioned the Hudson police department was a small force, prompting a reply from Stone: “We’ll pop every one of them.”
The new information about the group came out during the detention hearing at the federal courthouse in Detroit in which Scheer is to decide whether the eight are to remain jailed pending trial. A ninth member of the group appeared Tuesday in federal court in Indiana and was to be transferred to Michigan.
Several members of the group are charged with seditious conspiracy, use of weapons of mass destruction, and knowingly transferring arms used in violent crimes.
Newly court-appointed defense lawyers repeatedly objected to Waterstreet’s allegations made during the hearing. The defense lawyers said the government should be forced to put an agent on the witness stand, and subject to cross-examination, so the magistrate could more thoroughly weigh the credibility of the claims.
Scheer repeatedly overruled such objections.
Stone’s lawyer, William Swor, of Detroit sought to mitigate the government’s claims, arguing, “All they’re saying is my client has opinions and knows how to use his mouth.”
Swor argued that Waterstreet had presented no evidence of a crime or justification for the magistrate to conclude that the defendants represented a danger to the community or a risk of flight if they were released.
It is not yet clear who the agent was who infiltrated the group or how he apparently gained the group’s confidence.
During the weekend raids at Stone’s home, agents seized more than 300 pieces of evidence, including explosives, bomb components and shrapnel, Waterstone said.
The hearing is under way. Both sides are in a brief recess.
Need a different judge, i.e. one who forces the FBI to put their man on the stand for all the world to see and hear as he's grilled by lawyers for the defense. The legal system is basically comprised of cowards. If you're going to be a snitch, at least have the balls and integrity to accept the possible ramifications... but then, no one with integrity or balls would be a snitch in the first place.
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Need a different judge, i.e. one who forces the FBI to put their man on the stand for all the world to see and hear. The legal system is basically comprised of cowards. If you're going to be a snitch, at least have the balls and integrity to accept the possible ramifications... but then, no one with integrity or balls would be a snitch in the first place.
I would also be interested in the "terms of employment".
as in , How much was it was worth if he found nothing.
I would also be interested in the "terms of employment".
as in , How much was it was worth if he found nothing.
Really, I suspect a bonus of "some sort" was involved as an inducement for such a "risky" mission. Maybe, the informant is being prepared for US AG.
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This story is getting worse by the day. Makes me wonder if there is some fbi spy on rpf trying to instigate violence just to make an arrest. I think it would be prudent to be extremely cautious when anyone meets other members of the liberty movement. How can you tell if they are wolves in sheeps clothing? Anyone else had similar feelings?
Thats the whole purpose of these bullshit raids. To keep you in check by using FEAR. Probably works on some, and others not so much. At this stage of the game, i'm more fearful for my kids future than i am about being ratted out for waving the Gadsden flag and shouting FREEDOM!...
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Used to be I'm told. Long ago.
I am in fact surprised they are getting a trial (if that is what it is called)
Sealed warrants, secret witnesses amd military tribunals, seem to be the latest fashion.
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Does anyone want to publicly speculate about the name of the FBI informant?
All of the suspects are in prison garb except for one.
More from Stone's "Speech" Full article: http://www.9news.com/news/world/article.aspx?storyid=135724&catid=347
If this is the MOST compelling evidence they have, and this guy is denied bond because his dangerous, everyone here better lawyer UP .........
If this is the MOST compelling evidence they have, and this guy is denied bond because his dangerous, everyone here better lawyer UP .........
DHS been surfing these forums since 2007. You must have missed that thread back in Dec 07/Jan 08.
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Worst advice. Never "lawyer UP."
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