DHS & FBI Conduct Terror Raids at Multiple Michigan Locations

[Old Dragon]

That's what I was thinking. First they said the group was going to target Muslims, now cops.

The course for the future is definitely

 

[pcosmar]

NOT Sedition

Ok guys,
Check this out and see if it makes as much sense to you as it does to me.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/03/causus-belli.html

Simply put: As a matter of law, a citizen has an unqualified right to use lethal force to defend himself against a criminal assault by a law enforcement officer. This is not "sedition"; it's stare decisis.

A good analysis.

 

[phill4paul]

9th suspect just captured in Michigan. Fox News.

 

[pcosmar]

9th suspect just captured in Michigan. Fox News.

Whew.
I'm still here. I'm OK.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Government is nothing more than the rationalization and exercise of violence. Everything done by government contains at least the implicit threat of lethal coercion. Thus the indictment's description of Hutaree as "an anti-government extremist organization which advocates violence against local, state and Federal law enforcement" is a product of rhetorical onanism.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/03/causus-belli.html

 

[Reason]

YouTube - Feds: Militia Wanted to Kill Police, Plant Bombs

 

[Reason]

YouTube - Hutaree Viewed Warily by Other Mich. Militia

 

[Anti Federalist]

During a 1997 visit to the Battle Command Training Program at Ft. Leavenworth, author Robert Kaplan frequently heard "discussion of the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids the National Guard to act as a local police force once it has been federalized by the army in a civil emergency," he recalled in his book An Empire Wilderness. "The implication was that turbulence within the United States might one day require the act to be repealed."


Kaplan describes a round-table discussion of potential military action against domestic dissident groups. One Marine Major, referring to the Oklahoma City Bombing (an atrocity carried out by a former federal employee and "others" who remain "unknown"), declared: "The minute I heard about Oklahoma City, I knew who did it -- rednecks, the kind of guys from southern Idaho."



According to Kaplan, that officer and another of the same rank "suggested that `a time might come when the military will have to go domestic.'"


In the strictest sense, that was a treasonable utterance -- a threat, by people in a position with the means to carry it into effect, to wage war against the people of the "united States in Congress assembled."


When talk of that kind is indulged in by members of a tiny, disreputable club, it is labeled "seditious conspiracy" involving "weapons of mass destruction" -- that is, homemade explosives. When such talk reflects the shared opinion of armed functionaries of the Regime -- people with access to the largest and most destructive arsenal ever assembled, and a growing foreign body count demonstrating a willingness to use it -- this is a sober, responsible discussion of Homeland Security affairs.


Apparently, it's sound public policy for the government to wage war against the citizenry, but a federal offense to take notice of that fact.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/03/causus-belli.html

 

[phill4paul]

Whew.
I'm still here. I'm OK.

LOLZ. Thank goodness. And good find above.

They say that the military has played out every conceivable scenario. Were any of those scenarios seditious?

 

[pcosmar]

http://s[/url

Screw the propaganda.
Look at the LAW.
[url]http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.txt

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting
officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This
premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the
case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the
officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally
accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with
very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right
to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What
may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter
in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been
committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without
affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction,
and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the
arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will
be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111.
491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v.
Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau,
241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right
to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by
force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense,
his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80;
Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an
arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by
the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private
individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State,
26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State,
43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to
be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in
defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and
battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case,
the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer
and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v.
Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as
he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus
it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an
officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without
resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In
his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which
the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various
branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be
no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the
Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded,
‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by
human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in
extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous
injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford
University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the
case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.

As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable,
and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of
the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the
peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy
v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)

 

[pcosmar]

http://www.yoa[/url

As discussed elsewhere , and very visible here. Some people Hate Christians.
That was exactly the case in the Michigan Militia. Someone did not like them for their Christian beliefs. So They Turned Snitch to the Feds.
I for one am highly disappointed, I have pointed to the MM as an example before.
This was a let down.

 

[Reason]

G/F of Hutaree Militia live on Faux News says they are Ron Paul fanatics...

YouTube - Raided Militia Planned On Killing Cops! Militia Member's Girl Friend Andrea Harsh Interviewed

 

[pcosmar]

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What is with the rehashed propaganda, This was already posted and discussed.

The disgruntled Ex girlfriend is getting her day in the spotlight trash talking.
So what if he was a Ron Paul supporter? Most militia are. He believed in the Constitution and wanted it restored.

 

[RCA]

n/m

 

[Anti Federalist]

What is with the rehashed propaganda, This was already posted and discussed.

The disgruntled Ex girlfriend is getting her day in the spotlight trash talking.
So what if he was a Ron Paul supporter? Most militia are. He believed in the Constitution and wanted it restored.

Agreed.

I'd vote for a merge.

 

[Anti Federalist]

n/m

Not fast enough...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

definitely a bitter ex-girlfriend using the public stage for revenge, IMHO. Not sure having a half dozen separate threads on this is a good idea...

 

[RCA]

Not fast enough...

lol

 

[2young2vote]

Well, if the authorities can present proof that the militia group intended to do harm, then I suppose they could have done a good thing. But until they can prove it then they need to be careful or they may get some other people or groups mad.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Pretty obvious what all this is about.

They need some high profile cases to start ramping up support for a new "assault" weapon ban.

Hellthcare is out of the way, now, moving on...

Waco was supposed to do that, and bring more funding to ATF.

Didn't work out that way...