Delegate Strategy Question

[gerryb]

Why vote for any candidate, EVER?

In a Primary, only a few tens of thousand out of several million residents of each state participate.
In a General, usually less than half of the residents of each state participate.

For congressional races, around 5% of the population participates in the primary.

For Judges, Less than 1% of the population participates.


Why vote at all when the populace doesn't support your candidate at all?

 

[klamath]

Slippery slope. Either you have the delegates or you don't. Them's the rules of the game.

The founding fathers designed it this way so that a tireless, enthusiastic minority can change the establishment.

The founding fathers did not set up the party nomination process.

 

[jointhefightforfreedom]

I would vote for Ron Paul under those circumstances because it is a legitimate political strategy and under ANY circumstances ai would prefer Ron to be my president Also, if it is fair for the gop and the media to lie to voters and cause them to vote for a different candidate then I feel it is perfectly fair to use the process as it is currently set up to try and win the nomination through a brokered convention

Remember , We are playing under the private organization rules AKA the GOP !
The establishment change their rules every damn year within the GOP to help keep them in power.

Primary election is not the same as a General Election.
Primary election is unfair Biased and any other word you want to use to describe it!

The GOP primary is a private organizations rules of electing a representative to RUN for POTUS.
The GOP and the DEMS have both lobbied forever to maintain general election rules to keep it a 2 party system.

Sometimes you take the moral high ground and "Turn the other Cheek"
But sometimes You become a Revolutionary and fight against oppression buy starting a revolution!

 

[JK/SEA]

What many people, including other candidates and media talking heads dont realize is, the votes dont matter. Ron Paul could come in dead last place and still get all the delegates. The only thing that matters is the Ron Paul supporters who stay after the vote is over, and get elected as a delegate to the convention. There is a process, and that includes getting elected at the county level, then the state level then the national level.
Most rank and file GOP voters don't stay after the vote to get elected. Ron is organizing the delegate elections very carefully, but it is up to us as voters to become delegates.
When the national convention happens in Tampa, Ron Paul supporters will be delegates for Mitt Romney, Newt and Rick. They will go to the national convention and if they are bound delegates, they will vote for who ever won the State. However if the final total of votes does not reach 1144 for 1 candidate, in most cases delegates are free to change their vote. That is why Ron Paul supporters are becoming delegates for other candidates.

DAMN!...finally someone else 'gets it'...yes yes yes...

It is IMPERATIVE that we dominate the COUNTY GOP Conventions by VOLUNTEERING to fill those delegate and ALTERNATE DELEGATE spots, but YOU HAVE TO STAY after the votes are announced and not fall for their trick of passing an ADJOURN vote. Stick around. Thats when the REAL process takes place.

I wish people who support Ron Paul would take 5 minutes and LEARN the Delegate process.

The dog and pony show and John Kings magic board are not the final say. Your caucus meeting Chairperson should explain all this, but you have to remember, these people who run these meetings are establishment GOP, and would rather fill these delegate spots with other GOP establishment 'friends'....get the picture?

 

[69360]

DAMN!...finally someone else 'gets it'...yes yes yes...

It is IMPERATIVE that we dominate the COUNTY GOP Conventions by VOLUNTEERING to fill those delegate and ALTERNATE DELEGATE spots.

I wish people who support Ron Paul would take 5 minutes and LEARN the Delegate process.

The dog and pony show and John Kings magic board are not the final say. Your caucus meeting Chairperson should explain all this, but you have to remember, these people who run these meetings are establishment GOP, and would rather fill these delegate spots with other GOP establishment 'friends'....get the picture?

People understand it. It won't work, for the reasons already discussed in this thread. As the race winds downs candidates will drop and endorse transfering their delegates in exchange for political power like vp, sos or presumed nominee for the next election. That's how politics works.

 

[maxoutco]

What many people, including other candidates and media talking heads dont realize is, the votes dont matter. Ron Paul could come in dead last place and still get all the delegates. The only thing that matters is the Ron Paul supporters who stay after the vote is over, and get elected as a delegate to the convention. There is a process, and that includes getting elected at the county level, then the state level then the national level.
Most rank and file GOP voters don't stay after the vote to get elected. Ron is organizing the delegate elections very carefully, but it is up to us as voters to become delegates.
When the national convention happens in Tampa, Ron Paul supporters will be delegates for Mitt Romney, Newt and Rick. They will go to the national convention and if they are bound delegates, they will vote for who ever won the State. However if the final total of votes does not reach 1144 for 1 candidate, in most cases delegates are free to change their vote. That is why Ron Paul supporters are becoming delegates for other candidates.

Right now I am a county delegate and a state alternate. As an state alternate or a county delegate, is there any way I can stop our districts state delegate (Santorum Supporter) from going to the national level by vote at the county or state level?

 

[tbone717]

People understand it. It won't work, for the reasons already discussed in this thread. As the race winds downs candidates will drop and endorse transfering their delegates in exchange for political power like vp, sos or presumed nominee for the next election. That's how politics works.

Exactly, this needs to be stressed. The only way a delegate strategy will truly work is if Paul falls just short of the number needed for nomination on the first ballot and the remaining three combined do not have enough for a first ballot nomination. Otherwise, whoever is in the lead will get unbound delegates from one of the remaining opponents so they can win on the first ballot

 

[gerryb]

People understand it. It won't work, for the reasons already discussed in this thread. As the race winds downs candidates will drop and endorse transfering their delegates in exchange for political power like vp, sos or presumed nominee for the next election. That's how politics works.

You're missing the point entirely.

If we are the delegates, when the other candidates drop out.. Do you really think we're all of a sudden going to say "Oh! I guess that means I should support Romney(or whoever) now!"

We need to take over the GOP Committee positions, too, and this is a good way to gain experience for doing that.

 

[libertythor]

Do you realize how hypocritical that that I bolded is? Here you have the will of the people by 82% against RP and you want the delegate to sneak in and give the election to him?
If RP was only .5 to 5% percent behind in popular vote then it is close enough to go either way. Would you accept and be happy if rp won the nomination and went on the win the popular vote by 65 to 35%, all the states and then you find out the slate of electors were really Obama supporters and gave him the win? Electors are not bound you know. This would be legal.

The rules of the Republican Party, a private organization, don't call for majority rule with the popular vote. For example, in Iowa the caucus vote is irrelevant to the delegate vote.

Every party has its own process. In fact, the primaries don't matter at all in the Libertarian Party. It is all done by delegate selection. The Republican Party uses a hybrid process that varies state by state.

Democracy and majority rules doesn't apply absolutely to the GOP. Sorry, but the US isn't a democracy, and the GOP isn't a democracy.

 

[JK/SEA]

People understand it. It won't work, for the reasons already discussed in this thread. As the race winds downs candidates will drop and endorse transfering their delegates in exchange for political power like vp, sos or presumed nominee for the next election. That's how politics works.

uh..no..when you get a majority of Paul delegates at your local, county GOP convention, you take control, you change the rules, you give Ron Paul ALL the delegates.

Problem is as i see it is it seems people don't understand the current rules, and listen to John King and Gloria Borger too much.

 

[maxoutco]

Right now I am a county delegate and a state alternate. As an state alternate or a county delegate, is there any way I can stop our districts state delegate (Santorum Supporter) from going to the national level by vote at the county or state level?

bump

 

[giovannile07]

Because RP will not change his presentation to get vote but he would be ok with standing up and saying "I accept the nomination" knowing full well that the delegaes that just voted him in lied through their teeth ot get there. No I would not vote for RP then.

What lied through their teeth? Whoever said they lied through their teeth?

 

[klamath]

The rules of the Republican Party, a private organization, don't call for majority rule with the popular vote. For example, in Iowa the caucus vote is irrelevant to the delegate vote.

Every party has its own process. In fact, the primaries don't matter at all in the Libertarian Party. It is all done by delegate selection. The Republican Party uses a hybrid process that varies state by state.

Democracy and majority rules doesn't apply absolutely to the GOP. Sorry, but the US isn't a democracy, and the GOP isn't a democracy.

and neither does the general election call for a majority. The electors can vote for anyone they please. However going against the overwhelming majority of the voters will ensure a failed stategy. It is FAILURE of leadershp that you couldn't get a majority of the electorate to see your ideas are correct. A failure of leadship will make a failure of the administration. If RP wants to win by deception I will not be voting for him.

 

[klamath]

What lied through their teeth? Whoever said they lied through their teeth?

If they do not announce they are RP supporters and let everyone believe they are voting for the person that won the caucus they are lying.

 

[JK/SEA]

//

 

[camp_steveo]

If RP comes in dead last in popular votes and accepts the nomination on delegate deception the movement is dead. I will NOT vote for RP under those circumstances.

What's deceptive about following the rules?

 

[camp_steveo]

It simply is not possible to win the nomination without winning states despite some of the foolishness you might read.

The larger state primaries are all after April 1st and are winner take all with bound delegates.

At some point Gingrich and Santorum will drop out of the race and endorse Romney giving him all their delegates. There won't be a brokered convention because of this.

What makes you think those two don't think they can do the same thing being discussed here by us?

 

[JK/SEA]

If they do not announce they are RP supporters and let everyone believe they are voting for the person that won the caucus they are lying.

wow..i don't know what world you think you live in, but to me alls fair in love and war and politics. In case you forgot, this country is going in the toilet, and in desperate times, desparate tactics MUST be employed. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Time is almost up...for all of us. And i don't consider not identifying yourself as one supporter of someone else or someone else to be dis-honest. Use the un-decided tactic. Worked for me, and if i have to dress like a lizard to become a delegate i will.

 

[69360]

What makes you think those two don't think they can do the same thing being discussed here by us?

They are establishment politicians and they work with the party higher ups.

 

[Maltheus]

Right now I am a county delegate and a state alternate. As an state alternate or a county delegate, is there any way I can stop our districts state delegate (Santorum Supporter) from going to the national level by vote at the county or state level?

Your state delegate isn't likely to go to national (just voting for those who are) and there's nothing you can do to stop him from going to state. They may not show for state (surprisingly common), in which case you can take over for him and vote for the Ron Paul slate of delegates to go to national. You may also get promoted out of county.