Delaware becomes 1st state to officially outlaw spanking

[Origanalist]

I've been here way longer than you have, or Roy for that matter, and if you were around since I have been you'd know how stupid you sound right now. Slink back to Washington, or try and justify more violations of individual rights. I'll be here to call you all out whenever you do so.

I'm not slinking anywhere Junior. Your opinion of yourself is way out of touch with reality.

 

[jmdrake]

Ah, so you advocate repealing all laws, then?

I didn't say that. But I certainly don't advocating adding more and I especially don't advocating adding a new law just to keep someone from getting paddled.

Edit: And with your logic I bet you support the Gary Johnson "Let's invade Uganda for humanitarian purposes". It's basically the same idea on a larger scale. After all, no "libertarian" is against all war right? So if war is justifiable in some circumstance, it must be justifiable to go after some warlord that hasn't been seen in three years regardless of the potential negative consequences.

In this case, we have nothing but your ridiculous assertion that infants are "independent" (yeah, let's see one change a diaper) and silly doctor Spock style psychobabble to justify the idea spanking should be a crime and that if a 3 year old can't "contract" herself out as a prostitute she is being kept in slavery/indentured servitude. (Yeah, I didn't forget your lunacy on that angle either). So empower the same government you complain about for beating/tasing/shooting people and the same CPS that's been caught molesting kids to arrest more parents and beat more kids and put more kids into sex slavery in order to fit your warped view on NAP. I tell you what. When you find evidence of Ron Paul or Lew Rockwell supporting anti spanking laws, let the rest of us know okay?

No libertarian does that, because even in voluntaryist society we want justice and we believe in rights that cannot be violated no matter what.

You just jumped the shark with that stupidity.

Just because the Government has a monopoly on this service doesn't mean we shouldn't want that monopoly to at least do what would be done in a voluntaryist society (administer justice). You're a blathering idiot.

A blathering idiot is a genius compared to you.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

This circle-fest is going nowhere. I propose laughs.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

My wife works in Title I for the elementary school here. Some of the kids have lice all the time. There is controversy over whether to send them home (supposed to according to protocol). The parents are below par (IQ) and don't know how to handle lice. My wife loves the youger one, she works with him in Title I (where struggling kids get help). It's a local thing. No laws required, just some local help.

 

[AGRP]

Calling it physical abuse, is to me like our government calling veterans "potential terrorists" and is equally broad and dangerous. What some people have actually done here is made the case that I have assaulted my child. Really really scary if you think about it.

I might have misworded on abuse verses spanking. If I hear a child cry from a spanking, I feel bad but I realize some children need it and Im not the one to judge. Whats the alternative to a child who will not listen to life saving rules such as not darting into traffic? Whatever the debate is, it is disappointing to see that some self proclaimed libertarians wish to solve their problems with the state.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Do ya'll even have kids?

 

[Origanalist]

Do ya'll even have kids?

Affirmative, 3 kids, 2 step kids, 4 grandkids.


Baaaaaa!!!!

 

[Philhelm]

Do ya'll even have kids?

I had a kid once, but then I spanked it to death.

 

[Origanalist]

I had a kid once, but then I spanked it to death.

Thread winner!

 

[cjm]

Do ya'll even have kids?

I wondered the same thing. The poll is over here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?392177-Delaware-spanking-poll

 

[DamianTV]

Trying to Legislate Morality does nothing except invite the Authoritarian Government into our homes, and outlawing spanking is an effort to legislate morality. Actually, its more than that. It is to legislate a False Sense of Morality for people to hide behind as an excuse for their actions, and falsely validates the existence of the authority. These same people also hide their own immorality from themselves by having someone else do "their dirty work" in the collection of taxes, the imprisonment of parents, the splitting up of other peoples families, or the execution of any of the sentences to be carried out against those that they expressly believe are unjust in their actions.

 

[tod evans]

Geeze,

I wake up one guy who's advocating bare assed spanking of kids and then claims there's sexual undertones, another who equates spanking with beating and yet another who draws analogies between slavery and spanking.

There must be something in the water.

Oh and my favorite....The poster who speaks for "we" as if he's plural..

It's no wonder there are so many fucked up laws on the books, ya'll seem to feel the need to legislate behavior you find acceptable to your outlook on child rearing...

Odd thing is I'm betting there's very few of you who have children of your own.....Go join the peace corps if you need a cause.

 

[Origanalist]

Geeze,

I wake up one guy who's advocating bare assed spanking of kids and then claims there's sexual undertones, another who equates spanking with beating and yet another who draws analogies between slavery and spanking.

There must be something in the water.

Oh and my favorite....The poster who speaks for "we" as if he's plural..

It's no wonder there are so many fucked up laws on the books, ya'll seem to feel the need to legislate behavior you find acceptable to your outlook on child rearing...

Odd thing is I'm betting there's very few of you who have children of your own.....Go join the peace corps if you need a cause.

I am a parent and I support the Delaware law outlawing spanking



22.25%

I am a parent and I oppose the Delaware law outlawing spanking



3337.08%

I am not a parent and I support the Delaware law outlawing spanking



910.11%

I am not a parent and I oppose the Delaware law outlawing spanking



4550.56%

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?392177-Delaware-spanking-poll

It didn't translate well but you get the picture, 2 people had kids and supported the law.

 

[AlexAmore]

I think the problem is you have Austrian Econ Disciple and I who are Libertarians and you guys are anarchists and Nihilists. I can argue how hypocritical spanking is to Libertarian doctrine, but if you don't follow Libertarian doctrine it means nothing to you. So a giant circle jerk ensues.

 

[Travlyr]

I think the problem is you have Austrian Econ Disciple and I who are Libertarians and you guys are anarchists and Nihilists. I can argue how hypocritical spanking is to Libertarian doctrine, but if you don't follow Libertarian doctrine it means nothing to you. So a giant circle jerk ensues.

A law means that if one does not obey then they get fined and or go to jail. Do you really want people to go to jail for paddling their children?

There are already laws on the books against abuse.

This law will simply punish innocent people and separate families needlessly.

The law Delaware ought to be passing is a law to keep that creepy Uncle Sam from grabbing young boys out of high school and teaching them how to kill people Uncle Sam doesn't like.

 

[specsaregood]

I think the problem is you have Austrian Econ Disciple and I who are Libertarians and you guys are anarchists and Nihilists.

Some of us are proud statists; so put that in your pipe.

 

[asurfaholic]

Do ya'll even have kids?

 

[cjm]

I think the problem is you have Austrian Econ Disciple and I who are Libertarians and you guys are anarchists and Nihilists. I can argue how hypocritical spanking is to Libertarian doctrine, but if you don't follow Libertarian doctrine it means nothing to you. So a giant circle jerk ensues.

Libertarian doctrine, eh? What about this... I own my body and my wife owns hers, right? if we take part of me and part of her to create a child, that child is also our property and owned by both of us. We grew it just as we might have grown a tomato plant from a seed that we owned. This is a logical conclusion from the "fruits of one's labor" doctrine if I want to apply it universally. If you say that this is a special case and that I cannot own something that I grew, why couldn't there be a special case with regard to applying the NAP to small children? Some libertarian doctrines are absolute and others are not?

 

[AGRP]

I think the problem is you have Austrian Econ Disciple and I who are Libertarians and you guys are anarchists and Nihilists. I can argue how hypocritical spanking is to Libertarian doctrine, but if you don't follow Libertarian doctrine it means nothing to you. So a giant circle jerk ensues.

Is this a joke? A child cannot think for itself. Some children cannot think for themselves and refuse to have others think for them. Whats your solution to preventing a child from running into the road? A surgically attached dog collar? Sorry most of us are not Nihilists. We dont think its the smartest choice to let children have their way and child molesters to have their way. You wouldnt have a problem with child molesters baby sit your children of course.

 

[Origanalist]

Is this a joke? A child cannot think for itself. Some children cannot think for themselves and refuse to have others think for them. Whats your solution to preventing a child from running into the road? A surgically attached dog collar? Sorry most of us are not Nihilists. We dont think its the smartest choice to let children have their way and child molesters to have their way. You wouldnt have a problem with child molesters baby sit your children of course.

Hey, as long as the child volunteers, it's all good, right?