Delaware becomes 1st state to officially outlaw spanking

[Origanalist]

Reductio ad absurdum - you wouldn't agitate to end slavery just because it was on the plantation owners property and you falsely believe that 'it's none of your business'?

Again, you can't make the distinction that the use of force per se isn't wrong, or tyrannical, only the initiation thereof is. As long as you keep getting this wrong you'll keep putting forth horribly wrong argumentation.

So let me get this straight, you are actually comparing swatting your infants behind to slavery? Please tell me you are joking, I really would like to take you seriously.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

So let me get this straight, you are actually comparing swatting your infants behind to slavery? Please tell me you are joking, I really would like to take you seriously.

Follow the conversation, otherwise you are just interjecting yourself into something you have no idea what you are talking about. Your question will be answered if you read the last few pages.

 

[TheTexan]

Dude...the very definition of slavery begets being against their will.

Then you're comparing apples and oranges, and your analogy has zero relevance to this discussion

 

[Origanalist]

Follow the conversation, otherwise you are just interjecting yourself into something you have no idea what you are talking about. Your question will be answered if you read the last few pages.

I followed it back two pages, do I need to go further? I doubt it.

 

[silverhandorder]

So let me get this straight, you are actually comparing swatting your infants behind to slavery? Please tell me you are joking, I really would like to take you seriously.

You are like a liberal or necon who does the same shit about taxes or any other libertarian subject.

"So let me get this straight, you are actually comparing taxes/mandates/regulations to slavery? Please tell me you are joking, I really would like to take you seriously. "

 

[jmdrake]

You are like a liberal or necon who does the same shit about taxes or any other libertarian subject.

"So let me get this straight, you are actually comparing taxes/mandates/regulations to slavery? Please tell me you are joking, I really would like to take you seriously. "

Except in this case the "libertarians" are pushing for more taxes/mandates/regulation. What is a "libertarian" that pushes a solution that means more government? A "libertardian".

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Except in this case the "libertarians" are pushing for more taxes/mandates/regulation. What is a "libertarian" that pushes a solution that means more government? A "libertardian".

Ah, so you advocate repealing all laws, then? No libertarian does that, because even in voluntaryist society we want justice and we believe in rights that cannot be violated no matter what. Just because the Government has a monopoly on this service doesn't mean we shouldn't want that monopoly to at least do what would be done in a voluntaryist society (administer justice). You're a blathering idiot.

 

[Origanalist]

You are like a liberal or necon who does the same shit about taxes or any other libertarian subject.

"So let me get this straight, you are actually comparing taxes/mandates/regulations to slavery? Please tell me you are joking, I really would like to take you seriously. "

Taxes/mandates/regulations are only libertarian concerns? You give yourself way too much credit.

 

[AGRP]

Except in this case the "libertarians" are pushing for more taxes/mandates/regulation. What is a "libertarian" that pushes a solution that means more government? A "libertardian".

lol...The only reason why this is considered is because people are too chicken shit to confront parents who may be abusing their children. "Gee it looks like the Smiths are abusing their children. Do I confront them or call CPS and have them abducted? Hmm...Ill call CPS!"

 

[Origanalist]

lol...The only reason why this is considered is because people are too chicken shit to confront parents who may be abusing their children. "Gee it looks like the Smiths are abusing their children. Do I confront them or call CPS and have them abducted? Hmm...Ill call CPS!"

Define abuse, oh all knowing one.

 

[Origanalist]

Ah, so you advocate repealing all laws, then? No libertarian does that, because even in voluntaryist society we want justice and we believe in rights that cannot be violated no matter what. Just because the Government has a monopoly on this service doesn't mean we shouldn't want that monopoly to at least do what would be done in a voluntaryist society (administer justice). You're a blathering idiot.

And you're evil jm, and you lie, did I mention you lie?

Good grief, Roy L is back, wearing another shirt.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

And you're evil jm, and you lie, did I mention you lie?

Good grief, Roy L is back, wearing another shirt.

I've been here way longer than you have, or Roy for that matter, and if you were around since I have been you'd know how stupid you sound right now. Slink back to Washington, or try and justify more violations of individual rights. I'll be here to call you all out whenever you do so.

 

[asurfaholic]

That post was a quick 5 second job responding to a quick question. Yes, raising the child properly is part of it. My main argument was that you're not an owner, you're a steward of the child. A steward can still love, raise, role model..etc.

The lack of ownership of the child means liberties have to be respected.

I get that. You are assuming that I think I own my child? I have never considered that to be the case. No, family to me is deeper than ownership. Nobody owns another person, except maybe through contracts between people. If you and I agree that you will cut my grass 3 times a week, and you only do it 2 times, I could sue you. But I couldn't beat you, so honestly, Im not seeing why you even bring it up like that. I would still have to respect the civil liberties, even if I was in a contract with another person. I say contract, because I would assume for the duration of the contract, you could consider that an "ownership" of types.

A child does not have the right to do whatever they please. They can not eat whatever they want. They can not go wherever they want, whenever they want. They are to act only under the supervision and permissions of their parent/guardian. They are not free, because they are not considered legally to be capable of making good choises for themselves without parential guidance. Read your states laws, you will see it, as I have spent a ton of time studying on NC's laws. A child is not free. Do you understand that?

 

[TheTexan]

I've been here way longer than you have, or Roy for that matter, and if you were around since I have been you'd know how stupid you sound right now. Slink back to Washington, or try and justify more violations of individual rights. I'll be here to call you all out whenever you do so.

You sound just like Gunny when he said he'd happily put a bullet in someone's brain to protect author's rights to IP

(no offense intended Gunny)

 

[AGRP]

Define abuse, oh all knowing one.

If I cared, I would be friendly with them to the point they wouldn't want to go through the hassle of constantly explaining why their kids are in constant pain or have bruises. This world would be better if all of us would consider talking to our neighbors rather than turning on eachother.

 

[asurfaholic]

lol...The only reason why this is considered is because people are too chicken shit to confront parents who may be abusing their children. "Gee it looks like the Smiths are abusing their children. Do I confront them or call CPS and have them abducted? Hmm...Ill call CPS!"

There are already laws on the books against abuse, and interestingly in NC, if you witness a child being abused, you are OBLIGATED to report it. Look it up, its true. Then the govt gets involved and determines if abuse is taking place. Spankings don't qualify, there are a host of other qualifications, and the DSS will investigate to actually determine if its abuse that is taking place. Pretty cool huh?!

Now what really boggles my mind are the so called "libertarians" who can't seem to mind their own business. They want to define something that is controversial, then enforce it on everyone. You wouldn't agree that we should ban all alcohol, eh? Its controversial, and can kill you - but personal responsibility is the key word here. A true libertarian, if against spanking, would understand that spanking is not the way he chooses to run his family, but if another family chooses to utilize it, then thats their choice...

Calling it physical abuse, is to me like our government calling veterans "potential terrorists" and is equally broad and dangerous. What some people have actually done here is made the case that I have assaulted my child. Really really scary if you think about it.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Hold the fucking boat.
What is the non-agresssion principle? Do you force people to learn? Will someone get hurt if you don't intervene? How bad? Worse than what you are proposing? Wife beats husband who beats chilren who hate their parents? Where does it start? Where does it stop? Is my nose too long?

 

[AGRP]

Hold the fucking boat.
What is the non-agresssion principle? Do you force people to learn? Will someone get hurt if you don't intervene? How bad? Worse than what you are proposing? Wife beats husband who beats chilren who hate their parents? Where does it start? Where does it stop? Is my nose too long?

Intervene how? On a personal and peaceful basis or having a the state intervene?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Children want to please their care takers. That's a fact. They come into this world with nothing. They look to them. If they get spanked that won't kill them, but it's not good, but..take their parents away and you just killed them. Teach your parents well...

edit: I got my ass beat, my back whipped with a bundle of switches, many times, I survived.

edit: We are all getting our ass beat, no? everyday, Fed, Gov, assholes. SURVIVE!

 

[Origanalist]

If I cared, I would be friendly with them to the point they wouldn't want to go through the hassle of constantly explaining why their kids are in constant pain or have bruises. This world would be better if all of us would consider talking to our neighbors rather than turning on eachother.

If you cared? Who is talking about kids in constant pain? Oprah much? And as far as bruises, any active kid is going to have bruises. Another excuse for the busybodies of the world to justify their "concerns".