Defending Belief in God

[hazek]

YumYum I don't have a need to pray at all because I know if I want something it's up to me and no one else in the whole world to make that happen. It's very empowering to think this way, you should try it.

 

[jmdrake]

Hello Hazek. You believe in the scientific method right? So why are you unwilling to apply it and/or accept the results when it goes against your worldview?

Here's what I mean. At the basic level the scientific method means you develop a hypothesis based on background research, construct tests for the hypothesis and see if you can predict results based on that test. A hypothesis can have supporting hypotheses. Even if a supporting hypotheses is proven false, that doesn't mean the main hypothesis is false, but that it needs new support.

Applying this to you, you have a hypothesis that the Bible is "just like a fairy tale". Well fairy tales are generally false but have a nice moral meaning. You don't look to fairy tales for archeological discoveries. You don't look to fairy tales for predictions about the future of world events. You don't look to fairy tales to find principles of science and health that up to that point were not deemed to be true. I've shown how the Bible is different from fairy tales in all three of those regards. You haven't challenged my analysis either through criticism of my methodology or by offering counter proof. Instead you've tried to claim you were still "right" because I haven't dis-proven your main hypothesis which you never asserted in your initial post. Your main hypothesis is that the Bible isn't 100% true. Have I disproven your main hypothesis? No. But you haven't proven it either. I have disproven your supporting hypothesis and you have kind of sort of admitted that, but muddied the issue by switching gears to a different hypothesis. Or am I somehow mis-stating your position?

 

[jmdrake]

Good scripture, John. Sometimes Paul gets it right. Are there any other scriptures that teach that it is between me and Jesus? I think this is a very critical point the atheists need to see.

Hmmmm....How about...
Revelation 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

Or perhaps...

Matthew 7:1-3
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Or even...


Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

Or maybe...
1 Corinthians 10:29
Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

Is that what you're looking for?

 

[YumYum]

Yes! It is about us exercising our conscience. I'm wondering if we should start a thread that examines the Bible. Sort of a "critical study" of the scriptures. Warts and all. What do you think? This could be a big help to atheists.

 

[hazek]

Applying this to you, you have a hypothesis that the Bible is "just like a fairy tale". Well fairy tales are generally false but have a nice moral meaning. You don't look to fairy tales for archeological discoveries. You don't look to fairy tales for predictions about the future of world events. You don't look to fairy tales to find principles of science and health that up to that point were not deemed to be true. I've shown how the Bible is different from fairy tales in all three of those regards. You haven't challenged my analysis either through criticism of my methodology or by offering counter proof.

OK. Have it your way and I'll write down the obvious.

You don't look to fairy tales for archeological discoveries.

Santa lives at the north pole. The north pole exists in the real world, no? Does it make Santa real? Obviously no.

You don't look to fairy tales for predictions about the future of world events.

V for vendetta is a movie, a fairy tale, no?. But it predicts a future of citizens giving up their rights for safety out of fear of some major catastrophic event and in the process being oppressed by a lunatic power hungry politician. - When and if this really happens, as it looks like it will, are you going to claim the movie predicted the future and therefor it must not be a fairy tale but a prophecy and the writer of the script must be a prophet? Or is he just someone he made a good educated guess and used a little bit of imagination a long with it to create a nice moral story?

You don't look to fairy tales to find principles of science and health that up to that point were not deemed to be true.

Same here. You can find a dozen of modern movies that show science fiction on the topic of science and health that we didn't have yet or didn't understand yet, The Terminator comes to mind for example, where in a obvious fairy tale a robot looking like a human travels through time to kill someone where back in 1984 when the movie was released it was probably deemed fiction of us ever being able to produce such a machine we're almost there today. So again, is the author of that move a prophet for writing a fictional script that just so happens to be slowly becoming a reality and a general knowledge?


And most importantly what do any of these truer aspects of The Bible have to do with the story of god, angels, miracles, Christ rising from the dead, of heaven, of hell and of a holy spirit???


Face it. You got duped by a fairy tale for fear of the pain of your mortality and for the comfort in a promise of an afterlife full of pleasure and you surrendered your common sense to a few unelected group of MEN in the process.

Just imagine if these MEN were as crazy as those MEN who control the Muslims who flew those planes into the two towers.

 

[YumYum]

hazek--have you prayed to Jesus? Let's keep this simple. Pray to Jesus and watch what happens.

 

[hazek]

I already answered this question YumYum.

EDIT: top of this page in case you missed it.

 

[YumYum]

I already answered this question YumYum.

Please be more specific. Did you pray in the past and your prayers were not answered, or do you just refuse to even try?

edit: you seem to be very bitter. Jesus can help you with your bitterness. Your mental health is very important to all of us.

 

[hazek]

Well it's not that I refuse to try it. It's just that I don't see the point in it. Especially since I researched people who are successful and have things that I might want to pray for and found out that praying and them getting them had nothing to do with it.


Watch this:
especially from the 5:20 mark on, where he tells you exactly how I feel about praying.

 

[hazek]

Bitter? LOL

Ah yes those atheists who don't pray must be so bitter, poor sinners.. right?



You know what you show me by saying that? That I am 100% right when I say:
Face it. You got duped by a fairy tale for fear of the pain of your mortality and for the comfort in a promise of an afterlife full of pleasure and you surrendered your common sense to a few unelected group of MEN in the process.

 

[hazek]

Hey YumYum a question just popped into my head. Don't answer if you don't want to:

How often do you go to church, how often do you go to a confession, do you ever break any of the 10 commandments in your daily life? Would you be willing to suffer on a daily basis throughout your life on Earth if you were guaranteed to spend your afterlife in heaven?

 

[YumYum]

hazek--George Carlin mocked G-d. George Carlin is dead. Do you mock G-d? Think about it.

 

[YumYum]

Hey YumYum a question just popped into my head. Don't answer if you don't want to:

How often do you go to church, how often do you go to a confession, do you ever break any of the 10 commandments in your daily life? Would you be willing to suffer on a daily basis throughout your life on Earth if you were guaranteed to spend your afterlife in heaven?

I hate religion. My relationship with Jesus is between me and Him. If you need religion to follow Jesus you are a very sick individual.

 

[hazek]

EDIT:

hazek--George Carlin mocked G-d. George Carlin is dead. Do you mock G-d? Think about it.

HAhahahahahahaahahaha.

Thanks. That's actually all I needed to know.

 

[Dr.3D]

HAhahahahahahaahahaha.

Thanks. That's actually all I needed to know.

As if religion makes one a Christian. LOL

 

[hazek]

I hate religion. My relationship with Jesus is between me and Him. If you need religion to follow Jesus you are a very sick individual.

So you do not pray to a man which you read about in a book but you pray to an invisible friend? I mean if this Jesus character you're constantly talking about is not the same as the one The Bible talks about which is the main cookbook for Christianity and many more religions then who is he in your mind? Is he your neighbor? Your brother? Father? Does he exists in the real world? And if no, where did you learn about him? And if you didn't learn about him how did you think of him, did you just imagine him?

 

[YumYum]

hazek--I was once like you. Please, just pray to Jesus and see how He will open your heart. I don't have all the answers. But I prayed to Jesus and miracles happened in my life. Jesus commands "Come to me!".

 

[hazek]

I don't know anymore whether to laugh at you, feel sorry for you or be scared of you cause you sir sound like a lunatic.

 

[YumYum]

I don't know anymore whether to laugh at you, feel sorry for you or be scared of you cause you sir sound like a lunatic.

I pray for you hazek and your mental health. Don't you want to be mentally healthy?

 

[hazek]

Oh so it's me being mentally ill for not praying to an imaginary friend?