Declare A National Emergency

[Invisible Man]

Separate from those demographics

That's not an option. There is no conceivable path forward that includes doing that.

 

[TheTexan]

I don't support or not support "entire demographics". I treat every individual as an individual and don't entertain "group thinking" like the lib-tards do.

Oh, so you've never made the claim that immigrants are more pro-freedom than the people that already live here?

 

[TheTexan]

That's not an option. There is no conceivable path forward that includes doing that.

There is. It's been done many, many, times before, throughout history, and it will be done again

 

[PAF]

Oh, so you've never made the claim that immigrants are more pro-freedom than the people that already live here?

I speak of the ones who I interact with. That involves those in my liberty group, the 2 groups over in Ohio that I attend, and local community efforts outside of the political arena. I never took a tally. But I will not kick anybody's teeth in who line up with my values.

 

[TheTexan]

I speak of the ones who I interact with. That involves those in my liberty group, the 2 groups over in Ohio that I attend, and local community efforts outside of the political arena. I never took a tally. But I will not kick anybody's teeth in who line up with my values.

Okay so if you're not willing to commit to saying that immigrants are more pro-freedom as a group,

why do you object when we say that they are not more pro-freedom as a group?

It is literally impossible, for them as a group, to be identically pro-freedom, as any other group.

 

[acptulsa]

Oh, so you've never made the claim that immigrants are more pro-freedom than the people that already live here?

Some of them most certainly are. Some lived without it and went through hell to get it.

If you want to see a beautiful thing, watch an escapee from Red China school a typical college idiot some time.

 

[acptulsa]

group

group

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This is why the most evil people in the world love collectivists, folks. As long as we keep throwing babies out with the bathwater, they can't help but enslave us.

 

[PAF]

Okay so if you're not willing to commit to saying that immigrants are more pro-freedom as a group,

why do you object when we say that they are not more pro-freedom as a group?

It is literally impossible, for them as a group, to be identically pro-freedom, as any other group.

We need as many pro-liberty people as we can muster regardless of skin color or where they came. This is why Mises.org spans the globe and Ron Paul goes to Mexico to speak to as many people as he can, for 2 examples.

The immigrants who I personally know and part of my community/liberty group came here to seek freedom and to open productive businesses. Many red-blooded 'Merikans take it for granted, and have caused this country to deteriorate [just look at who they routinely vote for]. Immigrants, at least in my area, understand the consequences of communism/fascism and came here in hopes of a better life.

Sure, there are some who take advantage, just like whites and blacks routinely do. But in my experience, "do-gooders", regardless of color, have passed more awful legislation which is why we are where we are. Blanket blaming immigrants is the wrong approach if you want to increase liberty here and around the world. Making enemies of them will not solve the problem, and the corrupt powers that be will take advantage of you, if you let them.

 

[TheTexan]

We need as many pro-liberty people as we can muster regardless of skin color or where they came. This is why Mises.org spans the globe and Ron Paul goes to Mexico to speak to as many people as he can, for 2 examples.

Okay and if 1 pro-liberty person comes in but 3 more anti-liberty come in at the same time, is that still a good deal?

The immigrants who I personally know and part of my community/liberty group came here to seek freedom and to open productive businesses. Many re-blooded 'Merikans take it for granted, and have caused this country to deteriorate [just look at who they routinely vote for]. Immigrants, at least in my area, understand the consequences of communism/fascism and came here in hopes of a better life.

You seem like you think immigrants as a group are more pro-freedom on average than the people who already live here, without actually saying that directly, because that would be "group thinking".

I give you permission to "group think". Will you please answer the question... do you believe immigrants as a group are more pro-freedom than the people who already live here?

1) Yes
2) No
3) I don't have enough data to make that opinion

 

[TheTexan]

This is why the most evil people in the world love collectivists, folks. As long as we keep throwing babies out with the bathwater, they can't help but enslave us.

Collectivism is such a boring and useless insult

It just means people are able to adjust their actions and expectations based on data

If Iryna had adjusted her actions and expectations based on data she'd still be alive

 

[acptulsa]

Collectivism is such a boring and useless insult

It just means people are able to adjust their actions and expectations based on data

If Iryna had adjusted her actions and expectations based on data she'd still be alive

He's talking about where to find allies in the fight for freedom, and you can't hear him because you've been brainwashed and fearmongered into being unable to think beyond, "Who do I need to be wary of in a crowd?"

So many people are living in fear and being raised in fear. Must be a terrible way to live. I don't know if I could survive like that.

 

[TheTexan]

He's talking about where to find allies in the fight for freedom, and you can't hear him because you've been brainwashed and fearmongered into being unable to think beyond, "Who do I need to be wary of in a crowd?"

If your allies are 1000 miles away and the people near you are your enemy then you're probably living in the wrong area.

So many people are living in fear and being raised in fear. Must be a terrible way to live. I don't know if I could survive like that.

Okay so let me get this right, acknowledging facts about various demographics is "living in fear"?

Are you suggesting, it's better to live in ignorance?

I guess I should go out of my way to avoid scary facts and dangerous knowledge?

 

[CaptUSA]

He's talking about where to find allies in the fight for freedom, and you can't hear him because you've been brainwashed and fearmongered into being unable to think beyond, "Who do I need to be wary of in a crowd?"

So many people are living in fear and being raised in fear. Must be a terrible way to live. I don't know if I could survive like that.

You know, that almost sounds sane. Until I look back through the threads and see those who are willing to demean other pro-liberty folks because they don't match their own purity tests.

You'd think if you were looking for allies, you'd start with... I don't know... Your allies?

 

[PAF]

You know, that almost sounds sane. Until I look back through the threads and see those who are willing to demean other pro-liberty folks because they don't match their own purity tests.

You'd think if you were looking for allies, you'd start with... I don't know... Your allies?

I don't demean pro-liberty folks. Never have, never will. But I will call out those who support authoritarianism, because those who do aren't pro-liberty at all. It's as much as a purity test as it isn't. And just so you know, anytime I hear the words "their own purity test", it tells me that 1. you don't have or stand on solid principles, and/or 2. it's an attempt to redefine libertarianism. Either of which I have no use for at all.

 

[CaptUSA]

I don't demean pro-liberty folks. Never have, never will. But I will call out those who support authoritarianism, because those who do aren't pro-liberty at all. It's as much as a purity test as it isn't. And just so you know, anytime I hear the words "their own purity test", it tells me that 1. you don't have or stand on solid principles, and/or 2. it's an attempt to redefine libertarianism. Either of which I have no use for at all.

seewhatimean?

Good luck finding the immigrants who fit into that tiny little bucket.

 

[PAF]

seewhatimean?

Good luck finding the immigrants who fit into that tiny little bucket.

Told ya to stop by and see for yourself, but, that's ok, there's already enough authoritarians who won't open their eyes and ears, no need for yet another.

 

[acptulsa]

Good luck finding the immigrants who fit into that tiny little bucket.

He has found some. So have I.

The first step is to go outside and look for them.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's not an option. There is no conceivable path forward that includes doing that.

OK, understood that is your choice.

 

[TheTexan]

seewhatimean?

Good luck finding the immigrants who fit into that tiny little bucket.

I've found it's a lot easier to just accept the fascist label and move on

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've found it's a lot easier to just accept the fascist label and move on

And the racist label.