Deace: Huckabee will run in 2016

[erowe1]

Yet both of them will receive media attention equal or greater than that received by Rand.

Not if they both run. If they do, Santorum won't be a factor. Huck will get more attention than Rand. But if Huck runs, then Santorum won't get much media attention.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Because nobody ever let Ron Paul tell them what to think?

I don't, but honestly, I think 90+% of people would be better served letting Ron Paul think for them than thinking for themselves.

 

[69360]

Why bother? The US is not going to elect an evangelical christian minister to lead the country in 2016. Waste of time and money.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Read every single opinion poll of GOP voters taken since 2010. Limiting government is the mainstream GOP voters #1 issue.

Yes, they have gotten that far back to what, some anyway, used to be, but the real test will be whether they will be for limiting government when it comes to their own pet issues. I have doubt they have come that far yet.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Santorum is completely unelectable. If Huckabee runs then hopefully Santorum does as well so he can divide the evangelical vote, because if Huckabee runs Rand isn't winning the evangelicals.

It all turns on Iowa, once again. If Rand wins there, the momentum (and the evangelical vote) snowballs with him, not Huckabee or Santorum. Santorum does not have the natural Christian right support Huckabee had and has, and his success in 2012 was a creation of a desperate media and a multi-millionaire who propped him up. Faced up against Huck's real evangelical following, Santorum will collapse like a house of cards.

 

[mosquitobite]

Yes, Santorum was a false media narrative, and most evangelicals do not consider him an evangelical.

Does anyone have a single clip of Santorum talking about Jesus being his Lord and Savior? His personal relationship with Him? Under the microscope next to Huckster, Santorum will not survive.

Huckabee is a snake oil salesman, for sure. He is an evangelical, but a big government one. "Compassionate Conservative" He is Bush III.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Huckabee make enough millions peddling theocracy and Israel's safety on NEWSCORP's FOX Kabuki Theater? Of course, gotta attempt at appearing cool playing a bass with his FOX NEWS CORP band.

That 'Veneered Snaggled-Tooth Conman will fool the people once again... it appears to be a habit of the Establishment Media Corporatist carrying a marionette into the presidential elections every 4 years. Huckabee-Santorum-Huckabee


The great divide and dilution continues...

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The Christian Right, as you mention, rarely if ever wants to execute gays, but they do support Israel worship, war with Iran, and the troops. I know you don't support the first two. What's your opinion on the "Support the troops" statement? Do you "Support the troops"? Do you have a problem with people who won't?

There is an aversion many of us hold towards the code meaning of "support the troops," i.e., the use of them as emotional shields to justify any militarism the US engages in around the globe. As for the Christian Right, Israel worship, war worship, and troops worship are idolatries that took hold beginning in the 90's. The focus of the Christian right circa 1988 and before was on repealing abortion and the normalization of homosexuality, especially as fostered by the social left mass media.

The MIC and neo-cons warped the whole mainstream right into a foreign policy preoccupation from that time on, partially to give social conservatives a sense of achieving victory on "their issues" that they were not getting on the abortion and gays front.

 

[devil21]

Yet both of them will receive media attention equal or greater than that received by Rand.

One of the positives of having these past "also rans" running in 2016 is that Rand can harvest a shit ton of attack material from their 2008/2012 statements.

I know Rand wouldn't do it (bc it would be politically unwise for various reasons) but I'd love to see him call out Huck and Santorum on the debate stage with stuff like "Remember when my dad, Ron Paul told you were wrong about xxxxxxxxxx back in 2008/2012? And time proved that you really were wrong? Well I think we should do xxxxxxxxxxxx like we should have back then." Oh it would be epic.

 

[Christian Liberty]

There is an aversion many of us hold towards the code meaning of "support the troops," i.e., the use of them as emotional shields to justify any militarism the US engages in around the globe

I don't even see any meaning of that phrase that can justify it. Maybe you can think of one, but I can't. I don't support aggressors. Some of them are ignorant, sure, which means they should be informed and maybe pitied, but not "supported."

I was just curious what TC's take on it was, since he's not as radical as me

As for the Christian Right, Israel worship, war worship, and troops worship are idolatries that took hold beginning in the 90's. The focus of the Christian right circa 1988 and before was on repealing abortion and the normalization of homosexuality, especially as fostered by the social left mass media.

Wait, so that's a recent development? Maybe that gives me some hope. What was the "Christian Right's" attitude toward war before that.

 

[Dianne]

Why do you think that?

If he runs, then I'd call him the favorite to get the GOP nomination, no matter who else runs.

I agree with you. He will certainly have the majority of the FOX news audience.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I agree with you. He will certainly have the majority of the FOX news audience.

That's terrible because his favorite hobbies are eating, raising taxes and oppressing people he disagrees with. Bill Clinton was fiscally conservative compared to Huckabee's wild times as the governor of Arkansas. I don't know but maybe, Hillary Clinton would also be a more fiscally conservative president than Huckabee. Obama might even look like a fiscal hawk compared to this guy.

FROM ERNEST DUMAS

Mike Huckabee's tax increases:

- Imposed an income tax surcharge of 3 percent on tax liabilities of individuals and domestic and foreign corporations (Act 38, 1st special session of 2003). (It was temporary until revenues improved. The legislature repealed it in 2005.)

- Increased the sales tax by 1/8 of one percent by initiated act (but it was a personal campaign by Huckabee, who campaigned across the state for it and took a celebrated bass boat trip for 4 days down the Arkansas River holding press conferences in each river city to urge passage of the act)

- Increased the sales tax by one-half of 1 percent (Act 1492 of 1999)

- Increased the sales tax by 7/8ths of 1 percent and expand the sales tax to many services previously exempt from the tax (Act 107, 2nd special session of 2003)

- Collected a 2 percent tax on chewing tobacco, cigars, package tobacco, cigarette papers and snuff (Act 434 of 1997)

- Levied an additional excise tax of 7 percent on tobacco (Act 38 of 1st special session of 2003)

- Increased the tax on cigarette and tobacco permits (Act 1337 of 1997)

- Increased the tax on cigarette and tobacco — cigarettes by $1.25 per thousand cigarettes and 2 percent of the manufacturers’ selling price on tobacco products (Act 434 of 1997)

- Increased the tax on cigarettes by 25 cents a pack (Act 38, 1st special session of 2003)

- Levied a 3 percent excise tax on all retail sales of beer (Act 1841 of 2001 and extended by Act 272 of 2003 and Act 2188 of 2005)

- Revived the 4 percent mixed drink tax of 1989 and added a 4 percent tax on private clubs (Act 1274 of 2005)

- Increased the tax on gasoline by 3 cents a gallon (Act 1028 of 1999)

- Increased the tax on diesel by 4 cents a gallon (Act 1028 of 1999) Note: Contrary to what Huckabee has said repeatedly in debates, speeches and TV shows, the 1999 gasoline and diesel taxes were not submitted to the voters and approved by 80 per cent of them. It was never submitted to a vote. It was the governor’s bill and it became law without a vote of the people. What the voters did approve in 1999 was a bond issue for interstate highway reconstruction but it did not involve a tax increase. Existing taxes and federal receipts were pledged to retire the bonds.

- Increased the driver’s license by $6 a person, from $14 to $20 (Act 1500 of 2001)

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2010/07/06/mike-huckabee-king-of-tax-increases

As governor of Arkansas, Huckabee dramatically increased state spending. During his two-term tenure, spending increased by more than 65 percent — at three times the rate of inflation.

The number of government workers increased by 20 percent, and the state’s debt services increased by nearly $1 billion. Huckabee financed his spending binge with higher taxes. Under his leadership, the average Arkansan’s tax burden increased 47 percent, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, including increases in the state’s gas, sales, income, and cigarette taxes. He raised taxes on everything from groceries to nursing home beds.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/huckabee-biggest-biggovernment-conservative

 

[compromise]

I don't even see any meaning of that phrase that can justify it. Maybe you can think of one, but I can't. I don't support aggressors. Some of them are ignorant, sure, which means they should be informed and maybe pitied, but not "supported."

I was just curious what TC's take on it was, since he's not as radical as me



Wait, so that's a recent development? Maybe that gives me some hope. What was the "Christian Right's" attitude toward war before that.

Chuck Baldwin was heavily involved with the Moral Majority in the 80s. I imagine they were somewhat indifferent and varied on the war issue pre-9/11. I know a lot of them opposed the Yugoslavia intervention because it was to support the Muslims over the Christian Serbs.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

I don't know anyone who wants Huckabee to run for President. I don't think he'll have a lot of support.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I don't even see any meaning of that phrase that can justify it. Maybe you can think of one, but I can't. I don't support aggressors. Some of them are ignorant, sure, which means they should be informed and maybe pitied, but not "supported."

...Wait, so that's a recent development? Maybe that gives me some hope. What was the "Christian Right's" attitude toward war before that.

Americans have been conditioned to think our troop interventions are defacto always in self defense, never as aggressors, and that supporting US policy equals supporting the country---thus NOT supporting the troops equals not supporting America, or even supporting the enemy. In some countries like Turkey, criticizing the troops is considered a crime.

It's important to remember that prior to the '70's, American evangelicals were mostly uninvolved in politics at all, until the major media began its infowar to normalize fornication and later homosexuality, while the Supreme Court effectively banned school prayer, legalized porn, and decided all the different state laws restricting abortion were somehow all equally unconstitutional.

The social right upheaval was, and is a response to the social left authoritarianism and propagandizing imposed on this country via their control of the courts and the media, regardless of some coercive counter-policies the right has at times suggested as a solution. As Lawrence Vance and others have documented on LRC, many evangelical strains in American history have been flatly anti-war, or at least neutral as it bears on foreign policy.

 

[Matt Collins]

I don't know anyone who wants Huckabee to run for President. I don't think he'll have a lot of support.

He has had 4 years of very heavy TV and radio promotion to his core base, yes people will be excited for him to run.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Americans have been conditioned to think our troop interventions are defacto always in self defense, never as aggressors, and that supporting US policy equals supporting the country---thus NOT supporting the troops equals not supporting America, or even supporting the enemy. In some countries like Turkey, criticizing the troops is considered a crime.

It's important to remember that prior to the '70's, American evangelicals were mostly uninvolved in politics at all, until the major media began its infowar to normalize fornication and later homosexuality, while the Supreme Court effectively banned school prayer, legalized porn, and decided all the different state laws restricting abortion were somehow all equally unconstitutional.

The social right upheaval was, and is a response to the social left authoritarianism and propagandizing imposed on this country via their control of the courts and the media, regardless of some coercive counter-policies the right has at times suggested as a solution. As Lawrence Vance and others have documented on LRC, many evangelical strains in American history have been flatly anti-war, or at least neutral as it bears on foreign policy.

I just wish they'd realize that, their opposition to abortion and gay marriage, however noble (I for one am VERY opposed to abortion) doesn't justify bombing foreigners for no reason.

But yeah, they've been conditioned to think everything is "defense", which aggravates me to no end.

 

[Dianne]

Huckabee doing his FOX news show right now. He didn't say it, but he's running. He spent the entire first quarter of the show saying what he would have done differently than the current admin. It sounded more like a campaign speech, then a talk show.

He's in for sure. I can't even believe we will have to face Frothie again (((

 

[fr33]

That's terrible because his favorite hobbies are eating, raising taxes and oppressing people he disagrees with. Bill Clinton was fiscally conservative compared to Huckabee's wild times as the governor of Arkansas.

Since Reagan is the GOP template, Huckabee could be a shoe-in for the nomination.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

That would be good. He'd divide the evangelical vote with Cruz, leaving Paul as the clear leader of the pack.

Bunk. Paul's chances of winning Iowa go down with Huckabee in the race.