DC - helicopter & passenger jet collide in mid-air

Go to the 30 second mark in the above video.

I did.

I'm thinking those requests that went unanswered were after the collision.

This incident does seem odd though...why the increase in altitude 150 feet above minimum?

If the UH60 had maintained 200 they would have missed each other completely.

I also question the legality of flying VFR using NVGs.
 
This is from fiscal year 2023.

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[Edit: Audio unconfirmed]

The Urgent Call to "Return to Base" & The Chopper Strange Movements Make No Sense



Investigators are going to have to look at every possible reason a military Black Hawk Helicopter could crash into an American Airlines passenger jet landing at Reagan Airport in D.C.

The calls from air traffic controllers for the helicopter to “return to base” raise serious concerns over what may have caused this crash.

We even pulled the altitude and flight tracking data that revealed sharp zig-zags and a sudden drop in altitude moments before the crash. Here are the possible reasons behind the disaster:

Mechanical Failure
Air Traffic Control Failure
Human Error
Nefarious Action
Pilot Suicide
Computer Hack

We have the audio of that “return to base” call, as well as the altitude data you have to see and hear to believe.
 
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I did.

I'm thinking those requests that went unanswered were after the collision.

This incident does seem odd though...why the increase in altitude 150 feet above minimum?

If the UH60 had maintained 200 they would have missed each other completely.

I also question the legality of flying VFR using NVGs.

I'm no expert and I've only looked at the video briefly, but is it possible he fired off flares just at the moment of impact? That one video from across the river really looks like the arched pattern of flares. If flares were deployed just at the moment of impact, that would suggest premeditation to me, because how could you get your finger to the button fast enough if you were watching the wrong plane and this plane blind-sided you at 200+mph?

Also, how is there JUST ONE video of this, in 2025, with a camera literally every 3ft in the most heavily surveilled space in the country??? Are there other videos out there, or just this one from miles away?
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/staffing...l-tower-not-normal-night-collision-faa-report

Staffing at Reagan Washington National Airport air control tower was 'not normal' on night of collision: FAA
According to a report, the controller who was handling helicopters was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from runways.
Greg Wehner By Greg Wehner Fox News
Published January 30, 2025 5:08pm EST | Updated January 30, 2025 5:30pm EST

An internal preliminary report from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reportedly showed that the number of staff members working at the air control tower at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) in Arlington, Virginia, was "not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic."

On Wednesday night, an American Airlines plane and an Army helicopter collided near Reagan National Airport outside of Washington, D.C., and all 67 people onboard both aircraft are presumed to be dead.

The Associated Press obtained a report which showed one air traffic controller was working two positions at the time of the crash.

Typically, the two assignments are split between two air traffic controllers.

FAA PANEL WARNS THAT CURRENT SAFETY LEVELS ARE ‘UNSUNSTAINABLE’

A general view of Reagan National Airport in Arlington, Virginia
A general view of Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in Arlington, Virginia, on Thursday. An American Airlines flight from Wichita, Kansas, collided with a Black Hawk helicopter while approaching the airport for landing on Wednesday night. (Leigh Green for Fox News Digital)

"The position configuration was not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic," the report says.

Despite the report saying the staffing was "not normal," a person familiar with the matter told Fox News Digital that staffing in the control tower at DCA on Wednesday night was at a normal level.

The person explained that the positions get combined regularly if air controllers have to step away from the console for breaks, or if they are involved in a shift change. Controllers may also have to step away when air traffic is slow, the person explained, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss internal procedures.

Supervisors have the ability to combine roles, which was the case on Wednesday night, though the person familiar with the matter could not say why. When asked about the air traffic and previous reports of it being heavy on Wednesday night, the source said it was moderate.

The air control tower at Reagan National has been understaffed for years with 19 fully certified controllers as of September 2023. However, staffing targets set by the FAA and the controllers’ union call for 30.

The FAA’s air traffic controller shortage is nothing new at Reagan National or most of the country’s air traffic control facilities.

Last year, Frontier Airlines CEO Barry Biffle appeared on FOX Business Network’s "The Claman Countdown" and warned that shortages could cause issues during the summer season if they were not addressed.

Biffle explained that while technology could help address the issue while promoting greater efficiencies in air travel over the longer term, the air traffic controller shortage contributes to delays and cancelations.

"There's opportunities to improve the technology that is kind of the backbone of air traffic control," Biffle said. "If you look to Europe, for example, there are some opportunities that we could adopt here that would be much more efficient — you'd burn a lot less fuel, get there faster and so forth. That is a big opportunity."

"At the same time, it doesn't negate the issue that I think we're 3,000 controllers short right now. And so that just causes, when you have a weather event, it just causes there to be more delays," he explained. "And ultimately, like we've seen the last few days, those delays then turn into cancelations because crews time out and so forth. would really like to see the staffing get fixed. The technology is probably a longer solution."

The FAA's National Airspace System (NAS) safety review team created in April 2023 following several close runway incursions during takeoffs or landings at busy airports, determined that year that the concurrence of several challenges such as the air traffic control staffing crunch, insufficient funding and outdated technology "results in an erosion of safety margins that must be urgently addressed."

"The current erosion in the margin of safety in the NAS caused by the confluence of these challenges is rendering the current level of safety unsustainable," the team's report said.
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/staffing...l-tower-not-normal-night-collision-faa-report
Staffing at Reagan Washington National Airport air control tower was 'not normal' on night of collision: FAA
According to a report, the controller who was handling helicopters was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from runways.
Greg Wehner By Greg Wehner Fox News
Published January 30, 2025 5:08pm EST | Updated January 30, 2025 5:30pm EST

An internal preliminary report from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reportedly showed that the number of staff members working at the air control tower at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) in Arlington, Virginia, was "not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic."

On Wednesday night, an American Airlines plane and an Army helicopter collided near Reagan National Airport outside of Washington, D.C., and all 67 people onboard both aircraft are presumed to be dead.

The Associated Press obtained a report which showed one air traffic controller was working two positions at the time of the crash.

Typically, the two assignments are split between two air traffic controllers.

FAA PANEL WARNS THAT CURRENT SAFETY LEVELS ARE ‘UNSUNSTAINABLE’

A general view of Reagan National Airport in Arlington, Virginia
A general view of Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in Arlington, Virginia, on Thursday. An American Airlines flight from Wichita, Kansas, collided with a Black Hawk helicopter while approaching the airport for landing on Wednesday night. (Leigh Green for Fox News Digital)

"The position configuration was not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic," the report says.

Despite the report saying the staffing was "not normal," a person familiar with the matter told Fox News Digital that staffing in the control tower at DCA on Wednesday night was at a normal level.

The person explained that the positions get combined regularly if air controllers have to step away from the console for breaks, or if they are involved in a shift change. Controllers may also have to step away when air traffic is slow, the person explained, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss internal procedures.

Supervisors have the ability to combine roles, which was the case on Wednesday night, though the person familiar with the matter could not say why. When asked about the air traffic and previous reports of it being heavy on Wednesday night, the source said it was moderate.

The air control tower at Reagan National has been understaffed for years with 19 fully certified controllers as of September 2023. However, staffing targets set by the FAA and the controllers’ union call for 30.

The FAA’s air traffic controller shortage is nothing new at Reagan National or most of the country’s air traffic control facilities.

Last year, Frontier Airlines CEO Barry Biffle appeared on FOX Business Network’s "The Claman Countdown" and warned that shortages could cause issues during the summer season if they were not addressed.

Biffle explained that while technology could help address the issue while promoting greater efficiencies in air travel over the longer term, the air traffic controller shortage contributes to delays and cancelations.

"There's opportunities to improve the technology that is kind of the backbone of air traffic control," Biffle said. "If you look to Europe, for example, there are some opportunities that we could adopt here that would be much more efficient — you'd burn a lot less fuel, get there faster and so forth. That is a big opportunity."

"At the same time, it doesn't negate the issue that I think we're 3,000 controllers short right now. And so that just causes, when you have a weather event, it just causes there to be more delays," he explained. "And ultimately, like we've seen the last few days, those delays then turn into cancelations because crews time out and so forth. would really like to see the staffing get fixed. The technology is probably a longer solution."

The FAA's National Airspace System (NAS) safety review team created in April 2023 following several close runway incursions during takeoffs or landings at busy airports, determined that year that the concurrence of several challenges such as the air traffic control staffing crunch, insufficient funding and outdated technology "results in an erosion of safety margins that must be urgently addressed."

"The current erosion in the margin of safety in the NAS caused by the confluence of these challenges is rendering the current level of safety unsustainable," the team's report said.


You can thank DEI.

[h=1]The FAA Is Being Sued For Throwing Out Air Traffic Controller Applications Based On Applicants' Race[/h]
The FAA was under pressure to diversify the overwhelmingly white workforce and began screening applicants using a biographical test. Only after passing this test were they tested on competency.

More at: https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-traffic-controller-applicants-lawsuit/
 
You can thank DEI.

[h=1]The FAA Is Being Sued For Throwing Out Air Traffic Controller Applications Based On Applicants' Race[/h]
The FAA was under pressure to diversify the overwhelmingly white workforce and began screening applicants using a biographical test. Only after passing this test were they tested on competency.

More at: https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-traffic-controller-applicants-lawsuit/

And I don't defend that. Unlike you I'm honest. I'm not the one pretending that there was never an office of DEI in the SBA.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020062...fices/office-diversity-inclusion-civil-rights

Read it and weep.
 
Is there positive proof of this?

That was my first thought too. Who knows? This Stinchfield guy is going out on a limb if he is intentionally misleading people.

I can't find any sources other than Stinchfield. I marked the posts above as unconfirmed.

I don't know where the "return to base" audio came from, or it's time or context.

The guy who posted about the 200 ft ceiling for the helicopters on that route seemed more reliable.
 
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