Cruz is better than Trump or Rubio, due to the Rand Factor - Let's Caucus for Cruz

[nikcers]

He's not my first choice. I think that Rand would've been a better President than Cruz. His foreign policy is better. But Cruz's foreign policy is better than Rubio's, as he at least opposes some wars like the war in Libya and toppling Assad in Syria, while Rubio supports every single war overseas.

He supports carpet bombing which will only create more wars, has Rubio called for carpet bombing? At least he showed up for the audit the fed bill and he never shows up.

 

[Makes Interesting Points]

Cruz isn't "my guy." I donated money to Rand and made phone calls for him in Iowa. I would much rather Rand be President than Cruz. But, Cruz's voting record on issues like foreign policy and civil liberties is far better than Rubio's, and Cruz would be better for the cause of liberty than Rubio. Trump is decent on foreign policy but is awful on economics and civil liberties. Overall I think that Cruz is significantly better than the others, even though he doesn't measure up to Rand. I wish Rand would've won, but I see no point of allowing someone like Rubio to win the GOP nomination, who's far worse on the issues we care about.

Yes. I think the plan to elect the best out of Trump, Cruz, and Rubio is ideal, because there's not much functionality right now in voting for Paul. The reason why you vote for a candidate that has no chance to win is to make a their movement look stronger. But a candidate that has already dropped out does not look weak when not voted for, as everyone understands that their votes are only low due to the dropping out. You could argue that votes for a drop-out still makes them look stronger, as a vote for someone who has dropped out is making a unique statement for sure. But I don't think the Establishment etc. voters care too much about how many votes that libertarian who dropped out 2 months ago received in the primary, and what matters is converting Establishment etc. voters, not how well we perceive ourselves. I see the purpose of voting a bit different than some here, and I realize that.

 

[Brett85]

He supports carpet bombing which will only create more wars, has Rubio called for carpet bombing? At least he showed up for the audit the fed bill and he never shows up.

Rubio has called for ground troops, which is what the neocons want. They want to send an endless amount of ground troops back to the Middle East for permanent nation buiding/empire building.

 

[The Gold Standard]

I don't know if you supported Rand, but a Rand Presidency would've led to civilian deaths since he supported air strikes against ISIS. I understand the argument that it violates one's conscience to vote for someone who will be responsible for killing any civilians at all overseas, but to apply that consistently, that would also rule out Rand for consideration for President as well. Rand also voted for sanctions against Iran, and sanctions cause people to die from starvation. I don't see why it's such a stretch to vote for Cruz if we supported Rand despite Rand's positions that will be responsible for killing at least some innocent people overseas.

I was hoping Rand was lying. If I thought he meant a lot of the shit that comes out of his mouth I wouldn't have considered voting for him either.

 

[nikcers]

Rubio has called for ground troops, which is what the neocons want. They want to send an endless amount of ground troops back to the Middle East for permanent nation buiding/empire building.

Yes but they won't get that support from the us public unless we get attacked. Do you think we are more likely or less likely to be attacked if we indiscriminately carpet bomb people in the middle east creating blowback? I'll give you a hint, if you think we are less likely then you are not a Ron Paul Republican.

 

[Brett85]

Yes but they won't get that support from the us public unless we get attacked. Do you think we are more likely or less likely to be attacked if we indiscriminately carpet bomb people in the middle east creating blowback? I'll give you a hint, if you think we are less likely then you are not a Ron Paul Republican.

More likely, which is why Ron's foreign policy would be ideal. I'm just talking about stopping the most full blown neo-con candidate, Rubio, from winning the GOP nomination.

 

[nikcers]

More likely, which is why Ron's foreign policy would ideal. I'm just talking about stopping the most full blown neo-con candidate, Rubio, from winning the GOP nomination.

Which is ted Cruz, think about it.. If the neocons wanted to get conservative voters they would run on a platform of balanced budgets, non intervention and no nation building. Cruz actually wrote that strategy for Bush.

 

[CPUd]

Why would anyone want to vote for Cruz if he's not going to win anyway?

 

[Brett85]

Which is ted Cruz, think about it.. If the neocons wanted to get conservative voters they would run on a platform of balanced budgets, non intervention and no nation building. Cruz actually wrote that strategy for Bush.

Bush and Rubio are the candidates the neocons are pushing for the most. They would take Cruz over Rand, no doubt, but they would much rather have Bush or Rubio. As I said, Rubio is in the camp of never opposing any war overseas. Cruz is more pro war than I would like but isn't so tied to neocon ideology that he just blindly supports every war. He at least opposes some wars that he believes weakens our national security, like toppling dictators in Libya and Syria.

 

[nikcers]

Why would anyone want to vote for Cruz if he's not going to win anyway?

I kind of like Ted Cruz except for his foreign policy and his stances on the patriot act.

 

[Brett85]

Why would anyone want to vote for Cruz if he's not going to win anyway?

Obviously he has a good chance to win.

 

[nikcers]

Bush and Rubio are the candidates the neocons are pushing for the most. They would take Cruz over Rand, no doubt, but they would much rather have Bush or Rubio. As I said, Rubio is in the camp of never opposing any war overseas. Cruz is more pro war than I would like but isn't so tied to neocon ideology that he just blindly supports every war. He at least opposes some wars that he believes weakens our national security, like toppling dictators in Libya and Syria.

Why is it so hard to believe that the guy who wrote the 2000 neocon (FAKE CONSERVATIVE) presidential cookbook is fake conservative? Is it Rands and Ron's endorsement, because that had me tricked until they didn't endorse him for president.

 

[Brett85]

You guys can do what you want. I respect others opinions and don't condemn others for their choices. I fully understand not supporting Cruz due to his foreign policy being too pro war. I think there are other strategies though, such as stopping an even worse candidate on foreign policy like Rubio from winning the GOP nomination. I also think there are other issues to consider than just foreign policy. I'm not trying to convince anyone to actually vote for Cruz; my point is just that those who don't believe in sitting the election out or voting third party shouldn't be condemned as being "neocons, traitors," etc. All you guys are going to do is make the liberty movement smaller and smaller. I'm not going to keep discussing this issue and won't keep talking about Cruz, but I simply wanted to get my point across that we're all individuals and are going to have different strategies regarding how best to promote and preserve liberty. And having differing strategies is no reason to attack and demean each other, claiming that some of us with a different strategy aren't actually part of the movement. It's getting late. Good night.

 

[Kotin]

You are not making any interesting points so far...

Cruz is spawn of the bush policy team and I will never support him.

Flipped on Snowden and the patriot act, missed audit the fed, listens to the likes of neocon John Bolton.

That's a flat NO. Not really a tough choice either

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I would have a hard time voting for Cruz even if Rand were his VP.. Id vote for the VP (Rand) but still wouldnt feel good about it... Ill take my chances with Trump.. Im comfortable enough now after all this time in saying I dont believe hes bought and paid for by anyone.

 

[CPUd]

Obviously he has a good chance to win.

Cruz is going to get crushed so bad next week in NH they are gonna forget he won Iowa. By Cruz's own logic, NH voters need not show up to vote for if he's not going to win.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I hope Cruz gets painful ass cancer.

 

[Origanalist]

Most people on here seem to be against any compromise vote, as if you guys think some guy at the election center will sit there reading your vote and say "Man, this guy really didn't stand up for liberty enough and is too willing to compromise". I like being picky as much as the next liberty guy as far as who I give high scores to, and Cruz's "Voter Violation" debacle has knocked him down a peg for me recently. However, the country's situation isn't just about the person elected, but the fate of certain issues. Have you guys already forgotten that Americans are nearing permanent desensitization to the NSA? What about government secrecy and that we need to do things like auditing the Fed and making Congress read their bills? What about all the ethical technology related issues that will come up in the next 4-8 years as the world changes? Who is going to be the voice that tries to put an end to all these injustices during the next President's term? It's Senator Rand Paul. And who, out of the top three candidates for the nomination, is most likely to back Paul's future proposed bills and filibusters? Ted Cruz.

Rubio, the man who aggressively calls Snowden a traitor, does not understand Paul at all, and would hardly be better than Obama at helping Paul's proposals. Trump, though having a couple sprinkles of libertarianism such as being against mandatory vaccines, is likely too stupid to "get" Paul, and won't realize the significance of anything Paul proposes. Ted Cruz very often votes with Paul on freedom issues, and has a much higher chance than the other two at backing Paul's Senate proposals while President. There are several issues that Paul is nearly the lone voice of reason for. The country's laws are not the only thing falling into a slippery slope - American citizens' are also sliding further into desensitization to their loss of freedom, as proven by the fact that there's no mass uproar over the NSA. Therefore, it may soon be our last chance to fix this issue, and we need a President with a chance of understanding it (at least Cruz is open minded about it and acknowledges it), as well as someone who will take Paul seriously on all the other proposals.

Cruz is undoubtedly the best choice out of the top 3 Republicans, because we need a President that is open minded towards Randism. Unless there's real reasons why Cruz is not the best out of the top 3, reasons that overpower the Rand Factor, we should all take our pride down a notch (temporarily) and caucus for Cruz in my opinion. Let's fight for every inch we can get, instead of giving up!

Your points couldn't possibly be any less interesting, please change your screen name.

 

[CPUd]

Cruz said he "forgot" that he borrowed $2M from Goldman Sachs and Citibank. Is this the kind of guy you can trust to follow through on Audit the Fed? This guy didn't even show up to vote for it. He isn't going to audit a damn thing.

 

[juleswin]

Most people on here seem to be against any compromise vote, as if you guys think some guy at the election center will sit there reading your vote and say "Man, this guy really didn't stand up for liberty enough and is too willing to compromise". I like being picky as much as the next liberty guy as far as who I give high scores to, and Cruz's "Voter Violation" debacle has knocked him down a peg for me recently. However, the country's situation isn't just about the person elected, but the fate of certain issues. Have you guys already forgotten that Americans are nearing permanent desensitization to the NSA? What about government secrecy and that we need to do things like auditing the Fed and making Congress read their bills? What about all the ethical technology related issues that will come up in the next 4-8 years as the world changes? Who is going to be the voice that tries to put an end to all these injustices during the next President's term? It's Senator Rand Paul. And who, out of the top three candidates for the nomination, is most likely to back Paul's future proposed bills and filibusters? Ted Cruz.

Rubio, the man who aggressively calls Snowden a traitor, does not understand Paul at all, and would hardly be better than Obama at helping Paul's proposals. Trump, though having a couple sprinkles of libertarianism such as being against mandatory vaccines, is likely too stupid to "get" Paul, and won't realize the significance of anything Paul proposes. Ted Cruz very often votes with Paul on freedom issues, and has a much higher chance than the other two at backing Paul's Senate proposals while President. There are several issues that Paul is nearly the lone voice of reason for. The country's laws are not the only thing falling into a slippery slope - American citizens' are also sliding further into desensitization to their loss of freedom, as proven by the fact that there's no mass uproar over the NSA. Therefore, it may soon be our last chance to fix this issue, and we need a President with a chance of understanding it (at least Cruz is open minded about it and acknowledges it), as well as someone who will take Paul seriously on all the other proposals.

Cruz is undoubtedly the best choice out of the top 3 Republicans, because we need a President that is open minded towards Randism. Unless there's real reasons why Cruz is not the best out of the top 3, reasons that overpower the Rand Factor, we should all take our pride down a notch (temporarily) and caucus for Cruz in my opinion. Let's fight for every inch we can get, instead of giving up!

my compromise vote is for Bernie. Hopefully he expands the medical field bigger than it already is, gives me a big raise and maybe makes me a union boss. That way, I can raise union dues and take even more money out of your kids lemonade stand profits. My only wish is that I would have the ability to target only the Trump and Cruz supporters for extra punishment.

Bernie 2016
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