Cruz 2016?

Obama is STILL better than trash like Mccain and Graham.
Are you trolling? Obama is substantially worse than them. It's no contest. Obama is the worst President in US history. Both McCain and Graham, based on their voting records, are above average US Senators. The worst Republican in the Senate is from Maine. Even she is about as good as the best Democrat or Independent Senator.

Every politician in a high places does lots of bad things. Like at Ron Paul. Even he endorsed dozens of bad folks. Still, I think you have to look at the history of a politician. Look at the voting record. Not 1 or 5 votes. Look at dozens. Look at a bunch of stuff. Obama is complete trash.
 
Are you trolling? Obama is substantially worse than them. It's no contest. Obama is the worst President in US history. Both McCain and Graham, based on their voting records, are above average US Senators. The worst Republican in the Senate is from Maine. Even she is about as good as the best Democrat or Independent Senator.

Every politician in a high places does lots of bad things. Like at Ron Paul. Even he endorsed dozens of bad folks. Still, I think you have to look at the history of a politician. Look at the voting record. Not 1 or 5 votes. Look at dozens. Look at a bunch of stuff. Obama is complete trash.

Worst for us maybe, but I think the Arabs are probably still voting GWB as their #1.
 
I don't like this at all. I think that Cruz would just take away votes from Rand and make it harder for him to win Iowa.
 
Are you trolling? Obama is substantially worse than them. It's no contest. Obama is the worst President in US history. Both McCain and Graham, based on their voting records, are above average US Senators. The worst Republican in the Senate is from Maine. Even she is about as good as the best Democrat or Independent Senator.

Every politician in a high places does lots of bad things. Like at Ron Paul. Even he endorsed dozens of bad folks. Still, I think you have to look at the history of a politician. Look at the voting record. Not 1 or 5 votes. Look at dozens. Look at a bunch of stuff. Obama is complete trash.

Substantially? That's... quite a bit of a stretch. Substantially better based on what issues?
For example, I still view the Bush era as the absolute worst in my lifetime, but I wouldn't say Obama is substantially better.
 
I liked what both Ted Cruz and Mike Lee did to help out Rand on the floor during the filibuster and am thankful for what they did. That felt like an important moment where you were beginning to see some kind of union of liberty fighters banding together on the national stage for the first time in a long time. But that's as far as my support for Ted Cruz goes as of now. He speaks and behaves like a standard politician, albeit with a liberty minded angle. Time will tell where this guy's heart is at, so unless something drastically changes about him, I'm not going to get too enthusiastic about supporting someone like him unless he shows us something we haven't seen from him yet.
 
If nothing else, it'll be funny to see how many people on FreeRepublic.com and HotAir.com who think Obama was born in a foreign country, and is thus disqualified from being President, will still support Cruz even though it is an undisputed fact that he was born in a foreign country.

Maybe the birthers will finally admit that the whole thing was more about hating Obama than anything else?
 
Obama's only the worst because he's the latest. The president has been grabbing powers not given to them by the constitution for decades. Obama's worst qualities is he continued the presidential power grabs of Bush 2.0. Bush took presidential powers to a new level. Obama has continued to use the same playbook.

Are you trolling? Obama is substantially worse than them. It's no contest. Obama is the worst President in US history. Both McCain and Graham, based on their voting records, are above average US Senators. The worst Republican in the Senate is from Maine. Even she is about as good as the best Democrat or Independent Senator.

Every politician in a high places does lots of bad things. Like at Ron Paul. Even he endorsed dozens of bad folks. Still, I think you have to look at the history of a politician. Look at the voting record. Not 1 or 5 votes. Look at dozens. Look at a bunch of stuff. Obama is complete trash.
 
it might take more votes from Rubio than Rand
This is an interesting thought. It might also help to have two people in the GOP primaries discussing the erosion of our liberties to further illustrate what the GOP establishment is really facing. Evolve or die. It would be polite of him to bow out if his presence is negatively affecting the Rand vote and then publicly endorse Rand. Could be a watershed moment. Hey, I can be positive once in a while.:cool:
 
Cruz and Rand are friends and they will discuss both of their presidential aspirations at some point, if they haven't already. Cruz has 2 years less experience in the Senate than Rand and is 8 years younger than Rand. His time is yet to come.

If Rand announces he is running for president, Cruz will not run. Even less likely if some of Cruz's other 2012 supporters like Santorum run. The issue is that if Santorum does run, Cruz may not endorse Rand and stay out of the race to avoid ruining his relationship with Santorum.
 
Cruz must be having a busy day. I don't think he'll run against Rand. Rather, he'll be Rand's biggest endorsement (after Ron of course!)


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Ted Cruz, giving SCGOP banquet keynote on dais 15 feet from Lindsey Graham, says Rand Paul showing leadership, praises filibuster. Ouch.
 
By the way, Lindsey Graham apparently mentioned Israel bombing Syria and making the push for war...at this dinner.
 
I made a detailed reply but lost it and don't feel like rewriting it, so the short version is this. While Obama did sign NDAA, he hasn't called for it to be used yet. Meanwhile, Mccain and Graham have. Foreign policy: Mccain and Graham are even more aggressive than Obama is. Foreign policy and civil liberties are more important to me than economic or social issues.
 
Cruz has no "relationship" with Santorum that I know of.
He isn't that type of Republican. He is a fiscal conservative (even libertarian) on national fiscal issues and hawk on war issues. He is mixed on civil rights/liberties issues.
 
He isn't that type of Republican. He is a fiscal conservative (even libertarian) on national fiscal issues and hawk on war issues. He is mixed on civil rights/liberties issues.

I don't think this mixture is really tenable. I can understand fiscally and socially conservative, but national security "Conservatism" is incompatible with fiscal conservatism.

Thanks for clearing up for me and putting any doubt out of my mind. I want nothing to do with Cruz. Heck, if he's the nominee, I wouldn't even vote for him. The LP is still a thing.

No hawks. I can deal with Rand's semi-interventionist "Realism" because at least he's better than anyone who's around on those issues, but I won't support anyone who agrees with the GOP mainstream on foreign policy. We can't sustain any of our freedom with the Empire.
 
I don't think this mixture is really tenable. I can understand fiscally and socially conservative, but national security "Conservatism" is incompatible with fiscal conservatism.

Thanks for clearing up for me and putting any doubt out of my mind. I want nothing to do with Cruz. Heck, if he's the nominee, I wouldn't even vote for him. The LP is still a thing.
It is tenable. He is like Kelly Ayotte except he is better on civil rights/liberties issues. She is also fiscally conservative on national fiscal issues but hawkish on war issues. It isn't out of the ordinary for Republicans. Look at former Rep Frank Gunita of NH-1. He was similar to Kelly Ayotte.
 
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