Creating a Free Town or County

[Lamp]

or better yet lets all learn German and move to Liechtenstein. the American dream is over

Alemannic no less

 

[Lamp]

Yeah but at least WV didn't vote for Clinton. It would make a way better free country than VA

 

[Jesse James]

Alemannic no less

it's a high price to pay for freedom

 

[Lamp]

French or Italian is also an option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino

Theres also Catalan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra

 

[Jesse James]

French or Italian is also an option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino

Theres also Catalan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra

Monaco is good for the short term but when the monarch dies it will go back to french rule from what i've heard.

 

[osan]

I would be down if West Virginia wasn't founded so some Virginians could stay in the Union!

Who cares what folks did 150 years ago? It makes no matter to us today. Not in this case, anyhow.

This sort of reasoning is not unlike black people mooing and hoomering about slavery. It's done. Over. Fin. Finito. Fertig. Befejezett. законченный. 完成した. πεπερασμένος. Ferdig.

ANCIENT FOIGIN' HISTORY.

If WV is a good place now for this sort of project, why would anyone deny themselves the opportunity just because of the actions of those from five generations ago? It really makes no sense. Would you disagree?

 

[Jesse James]

Who cares what folks did 150 years ago? It makes no matter to us today. Not in this case, anyhow.

This sort of reasoning is not unlike black people mooing and hoomering about slavery. It's done. Over. Fin. Finito. Fertig. Befejezett. законченный. 完成した. πεπερασμένος. Ferdig.

ANCIENT FOIGIN' HISTORY.

If WV is a good place now for this sort of project, why would anyone deny themselves the opportunity just because of the actions of those from five generations ago? It really makes no sense. Would you disagree?

I just think there are better places is all. if it was the best place to go than sure.

 

[osan]

Originally Posted by Origanalist
So, it just fizzled?

Yep.

And here I have to give props where due. The filthy progressives WORK for their perfidies. "Liberty" people do not, on average. Liberty is far more work, I concede, but come on. We see it even here - I have signed on to at least two "initiatives" here at RPF, and none of them went past talk, the last one not even getting a whole lot of that. It seems to me, and I could be mistaken, that the liberty people are really no different from the progressives in that they want shit to magically drop into their laps through the labor of others. Lots and lots of talk. Little to no work. It appears that America is become this, regardless of self-professed individual bent.

I should cut some music, story line about how hopeless shit is and how fucked we all are. I could play it 24x7 over the air and it would never get old.

One foot in the grave and I'm looking for that banana peel for the other. This nonsense has gotten nearly that boring. Corruption and evil are ultimately boring. They are as nothing at all, save for the destruction they wreak upon people's lives.

 

[osan]

I just think there are better places is all. if it was the best place to go than sure.

OK. That's not what came across to me, but now that you've clarified, I'm good... or so my women tell me.

What place to you think would be better?

Of the 12 states in which I have resided...

Texas is too big and too weird with the whole "law 'n order" mentality.

Florida: too many New Yorkers. It would go nowhere.

NY, NJ: bastions of rank and foul communism.

PA: too left. No sense going in pissing upwind.

CA: Need we even say anything.

OR: gone WAY too far left.

WA: Seattle way to infested with hard-left dullards. You'd have to import at least 150K people into the metro area just to start having a slight effect.

AZ: Actually not a bad choice, if you can stand living with no water.

CO: Too left. Denver's a fecal hole of liberalism, as is Boulder (hippie central).

IL: Ugh... I'd rather die in a house fire.

And, of course, WV. Not perfect, but a damned sight better than any of the others, save perhaps AZ.

 

[Jesse James]

OK. That's not what came across to me, but now that you've clarified, I'm good... or so my women tell me.

What place to you think would be better?

Of the 12 states in which I have resided...

Texas is too big and too weird with the whole "law 'n order" mentality.

Florida: too many New Yorkers. It would go nowhere.

NY, NJ: bastions of rank and foul communism.

PA: too left. No sense going in pissing upwind.

CA: Need we even say anything.

OR: gone WAY too far left.

WA: Seattle way to infested with hard-left dullards. You'd have to import at least 150K people into the metro area just to start having a slight effect.

AZ: Actually not a bad choice, if you can stand living with no water.

CO: Too left. Denver's a fecal hole of liberalism, as is Boulder (hippie central).

IL: Ugh... I'd rather die in a house fire.

And, of course, WV. Not perfect, but a damned sight better than any of the others, save perhaps AZ.

Liechtenstein or Switzerland but we need to learn German. our ancestors came to America to give us a better life and I want to do the same thing

 

[osan]

Liechtenstein or Switzerland but we need to learn German. our ancestors came to America to give us a better life and I want to do the same thing

Two things: firstly, I meant states in America. Secondly, Switzerland will not let you in, much less 20K like you. Won't happen. My cousin Ann and her hubby are very successful doctors - heads of their departments - in Berne. They were admitted because they had something to offer. The Swiss do not let just anyone in. We could have gone there when I was an infant, but luckily (I think) we came here.

Lichtenstein also would not allow you in, AFAIK. Besides, I could put Lichtenstein in my coat pocket, walk away, and nobody would know where in hell it went. It's bigger than Monaco, but that's not saying much. The population is something like 30K.

 

[Jesse James]

Two things: firstly, I meant states in America. Secondly, Switzerland will not let you in, much less 20K like you. Won't happen. My cousin Ann and her hubby are very successful doctors - heads of their departments - in Berne. They were admitted because they had something to offer. The Swiss do not let just anyone in. We could have gone there when I was an infant, but luckily (I think) we came here.

Lichtenstein also would not allow you in, AFAIK. Besides, I could put Lichtenstein in my coat pocket, walk away, and nobody would know where in hell it went. It's bigger than Monaco, but that's not saying much. The population is something like 30K.

it will be a 5 year process at least just to get admitted into the country of Liechtenstein but that's worth it for me. you're probably not as young as I so you may decide it's not worth your time. nothing wrong with that. I think any freedom in the best freedom state will last maybe 10 years longer than the other states. just not worth it to me. if I'm going to leave my beloved South I want to be somewhere my grandkids won't need to flee because it will already be bad again.

if we can find 20,000 people to move with us we should just take over some part of Mexico or South America. if we could get 20,000 people I would shit my pants.

my vote still goes to Alaska. harder to go after 20,000 tax evaders in Alaska than anywhere else. we can build a safety igloo with cannons. our winter wonderland.

 

[osan]

it will be a 5 year process at least just to get admitted into the country of Liechtenstein but that's worth it for me. you're probably not as young as I so you may decide it's not worth your time. nothing wrong with that. I think any freedom in the best freedom state will last maybe 10 years longer than the other states. just not worth it to me. if I'm going to leave my beloved South I want to be somewhere my grandkids won't need to flee because it will already be bad again.

if we can find 20,000 people to move with us we should just take over some part of Mexico or South America. if we could get 20,000 people I would shit my pants.

my vote still goes to Alaska. harder to go after 20,000 tax evaders in Alaska than anywhere else. we can build a safety igloo with cannons. our winter wonderland.

Oh hell, having established family in CH, I could probably move there this afternoon if I wanted to. But it's in Europe and that's a real problem for me. I spent summers there as a child and really have no interest in living that lifestyle, not to mention that I am entirely too "American" for most Euros to tolerate. Were my grandma still alive at 116, I might reconsider. I really love my grandma. She was such a trip.

I'd likely end up in a prison somewhere for farting without permission, or clearing my nose, or some such felonious act. Not being able to carry a gun everywhere I went is a wholesale deal-breaker for me. NFW. Forty six years of jujutsu and other MA training have demonstrated to me the grand virtues of the firearm as the "great equalizer" of men. It has also demonstrated to me many other features of humanity that further bolster those virtues, such as the essential unpredictability of populations, individuals, and the fact that we get old. I'm not old yet, but if I last long enough, I will become so. Even now I would not want to face a 20 year old kid, fist to fist. I might be able to get him locked up and break a few body parts to remind him of the proprieties between humans, or I might just get my ass handed to me. Therefore, if I cannot shoot the little darling, I am clearly in a land I do not want to find myself. Thanks, but no.

 

[Jesse James]

Oh hell, having established family in CH, I could probably move there this afternoon if I wanted to. But it's in Europe and that's a real problem for me. I spent summers there as a child and really have no interest in living that lifestyle, not to mention that I am entirely too "American" for most Euros to tolerate. Were my grandma still alive at 116, I might reconsider. I really love my grandma. She was such a trip.

I'd likely end up in a prison somewhere for farting without permission, or clearing my nose, or some such felonious act. Not being able to carry a gun everywhere I went is a wholesale deal-breaker for me. NFW. Forty six years of jujutsu and other MA training have demonstrated to me the grand virtues of the firearm as the "great equalizer" of men. It has also demonstrated to me many other features of humanity that further bolster those virtues, such as the essential unpredictability of populations, individuals, and the fact that we get old. I'm not old yet, but if I last long enough, I will become so. Even now I would not want to face a 20 year old kid, fist to fist. I might be able to get him locked up and break a few body parts to remind him of the proprieties between humans, or I might just get my ass handed to me. Therefore, if I cannot shoot the little darling, I am clearly in a land I do not want to find myself. Thanks, but no.

yup it's all about what's more important to you. for you carrying a gun is more important than paying half in taxes and not funding wars and God knows what else the US funds. personally if where I lived was as safe as Switzerland I wouldn't feel the need to have guns besides at home.

what do you think about Alaska? too cold for ya?

 

[merkelstan]

Some euro-folks are trying to do this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland
https://liberland.org/en/about/

I'm rooting for them of course. I think there are somewhat autonomous regions in Spain, not libertarian though..

 

[phill4paul]

I believe it would have to be a county takeover or be an independent city. Independent cities are found in Virginia. I do not believe there is one small enough for a take-over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city_(United_States)

Here is a listing of the smallest county in each state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_statistics_of_the_United_States#Population_per_state

 

[osan]

yup it's all about what's more important to you. for you carrying a gun is more important than paying half in taxes and not funding wars and God knows what else the US funds. personally if where I lived was as safe as Switzerland I wouldn't feel the need to have guns besides at home.

In the past 20 years I've paid a grand total of $1500 and change in taxes. 100% within the law, which is why it pays to have a crackerjack accountant.

Property tax, OTOH, is a bit of a bugger, but were we are on +/- 30 acres and pay something like $288/annum. While all taxation is robbery, given it will not go by the wayside any time soon, I can adapt to that level of thievery.

what do you think about Alaska? too cold for ya?

Dunno, never been there, but it is a possibility. Have an old friend who lived up there when he was in the CG and he said the mean temperature was actually higher than NJ. No idea if that is the case.

 

[osan]

I believe it would have to be a county takeover or be an independent city. Independent cities are found in Virginia. I do not believe there is one small enough for a take-over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city_(United_States)

Here is a listing of the smallest county in each state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_statistics_of_the_United_States#Population_per_state

Plenty of unincorporated places here in WV. Those could be incorporated I suppose. No idea about the details of such a move, though, but I would assume you are, at the very least still under the thumb of the "state", if not the county as well. But if you bought, say, 50K acres and established a town there, replete with "government" and so forth, only to the agreed upon specifications of your 20K residents, I wonder how the bigger dogs would screw with you when they found out you have no public schools, police, property taxes, and so forth. If the property remains privately held in the names of all residents, to what lengths would Theye go to bring Galt's Gulch to heel?

 

[phill4paul]

Plenty of unincorporated places here in WV. Those could be incorporated I suppose. No idea about the details of such a move, though, but I would assume you are, at the very least still under the thumb of the "state", if not the county as well. But if you bought, say, 50K acres and established a town there, replete with "government" and so forth, only to the agreed upon specifications of your 20K residents, I wonder how the bigger dogs would screw with you when they found out you have no public schools, police, property taxes, and so forth. If the property remains privately held in the names of all residents, to what lengths would Theye go to bring Galt's Gulch to heel?

The reason I brought up going for a small county would be for the simple election of a Constitutional Sheriff and the ability to deputize the liberty loving citizenry. As law enforcement officers they would be required to be armed at all times. Non-payable position and voluntary, of course.

 

[osan]

The reason I brought up going for a small county would be for the simple election of a Constitutional Sheriff and the ability to deputize the liberty loving citizenry. As law enforcement officers they would be required to be armed at all times. Non-payable position and voluntary, of course.

A sound approach. If nobody can get even that much done, it would be very telling.

ETA: Summers county WV has only about 13K people in it. The seat is in Hinton, an über-corrupt place with a Boss Hogg style city council. IMO it would be ripe for the picking. If 10K people moved into the area on a mission, it could be a very interesting little show. I lived outside Hinton for a few years. Weird place, but mostly good people. Gary Wheeler is no longer sheriff... dunno whether Ed Dolphin is still in that seat, but he was (is??) a staunch constitutionalist. Could do a lot worse than Ed.

Lots of available land there, relatively inexpensive. My friend Juan lives there - bought a failed church on a few acres for next to nothing.

Beautiful country.

Downside - little work.

ETA^2: WV is peopled by mostly freedom-friendly people. The welfare parasites could be handled, IMO. I think most would leave the state if their lives were so utterly disrupted by "freedom". The liberals, mostly ensconced in Charleston and Morgantown, would naturally raise the roof, but once again, moving forward with no regard to their false voices would be far easier than attempting the same in a dump like NJ or even NH, IMO.

One other thing, IIRC Hinton lost its status as a city several years back. Dunno if they ever got it back, but that's the last I knew. Why? The incredible malfeasance on the part of the city council. For decades the FBI was hot on the investigative trail in Hinton for reasons I no longer recall. Several agents disappeared, never to be see nor heard from again. FBI finally gave up. That's the sort of local government we are talking about. Take that over and you have an instant establishment at hand, moldable to a strong constitutional compliance. Once again, IMO.

That all said, I still say "good luck" because liberty people cannot seem to get it together to have a rummage sale, much less take over a town or a county.