Coulter: Cruz is Not a Natural Born Citizen

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'Coulter: Cruz is Not a Natural Born Citizen'
By Jonathan Easley
January 06, 2016

Conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who has been supporting Donald Trump for president, took to Twitter on Wednesday to declare that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is not a natural born U.S. citizen.





Coulter joins Trump in questioning whether Cruz can legally be president.

“Republicans are going to have to ask themselves the question: ‘Do we want a candidate who could be tied up in court for two years?’ That’d be a big problem,” Trump told The Washington Post on Tuesday.

The U.S. Constitution states that to be eligible for the White House, one must be a “natural born citizen.” That’s long been interpreted to include anyone born to a U.S. citizen, even outside the country.

Cruz was born in Canada to an American mother and Cuban father. For years he held dual U.S.-Canada citizenship. The Texas Republican renounced his Canadian citizenship after he became a U.S. senator.

Cruz has laughed off the suggestion he’s not eligible for the White House, taking to Twitter on Tuesday to post a link from the television show “Happy Days” that shows the character Fonzie jumping his motorcycle over a shark.


Cruz and Trump are battling atop the polls in Iowa with less than a month to go before the caucuses there.
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kahless said:
How? He has an American mother.

It makes for good politics though raising enough doubt to drive his numbers down.
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Since nothing anybody here argues about whether he is legally natural born or not matters; instead let me ask this:
What was the original intent of the natural born citizen clause? Why is it even there?
 
specsaregood said:
She's right though.
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Maybe. I never got into any of that birther stuff even over Obama. I think we've got a crap ton of other anti-constitutional crap to deal with before a significant number of people care enough about that to make a difference. I'm not saying it's not important, I'm just saying there's a laundry-list a mile long of Constitutional violations and that one is somewhere down the list a little bit below middle.
 
specsaregood said:
Since nothing anybody here argues about whether he is legally natural born or not matters; instead let me ask this:
What was the original intent of the natural born citizen clause? Why is it even there?
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The original intent was to prevent people with divided loyalties from becoming President.
 
specsaregood said:
Since nothing anybody here argues about whether he is legally natural born or not matters; instead let me ask this:
What was the original intent of the natural born citizen clause? Why is it even there?
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To protect the nation from foreign influence. It is my view he should be ineligible but unfortunately the "intent" of the founders as far as the Constitution has been irrelevant for some time now. They will just look at the fact he has an American mother and end it there.

If this country really maintained the intent of the founders we would be living in an entirely different and freer country than it is now. We would not be having the gun control debate or have witnessed the demographic change - immigration policy debate.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
The original intent was to prevent people with divided loyalties from becoming President.
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And I would think that somebody that has had dual-citizenship their entire life to clearly be questionable in regards to having divided loyalties.

edit: I think it is a pretty much certainty that he should not be eligible given the original intent of the clause. not that it will matter in the end.
 
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specsaregood said:
And I would think that somebody that has had dual-citizenship their entire life to clearly be questionable in regards to having divided loyalties.

edit: I think it is a pretty much certainty that he should not be eligible given the original intent of the clause. not that it will matter in the end.
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Technically, there's no proof he had dual citizenship. He's only proved he had Canadian citizenship. I've only seen his Canadian birth certificate. I haven't seen State Dept. issued documents proving that he acquired US citizenship or that his mother was even eligible to confer US citizenship. Technically speaking, I wouldn't be able to say with absoluteness that he had dual citizenship.
 
Tywysog Cymru said:
I don't think Ted Cruz has any loyalty to Canada.
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I don't think either Donald Trump or Anne Coulter could care less about the original intent of any part of the U.S. Constitution unless it serves their purposes. I'm not a Ted Cruz guy myself, but this is one of those issues where I'm a bit skeptical, as was the case with McCain not being born on the continental U.S. supposedly being an issue.
 
erowe1 said:
How is she right?

When did Cruz become a US citizen? If he was born one, regardless where he was born, that makes him a natural-born citizen.
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It doesn't make him a natural born US citizen. He didn't acquire US citizenship at birth. He acquired US citizenship through birth, by Congressional statute. Not all US citizens can transmit US citizenship to their children born abroad. The US citizen parent must meet statutory residency requirements, which are found in Immigration laws under sections titled 'Nationality and Collective Naturalization'.

Ted Cruz was easily afforded the opportunity to acquire US citizenship solely because of Congress's Constitutional authority to establish rules of Naturalization (Article 1. Sec. 8). The very clause allowing these children born abroad to be considered for US citizenship is found in the "Naturalization Acts". Congress could amend or outright restrict the generosity of granting citizenship, if it so chose to; and children born abroad to US citizen parents would have no claim to US citizenship. Where natural born US citizens are not gifted citizenship by Congressional action, and Where Ted Cruz's only acquisition to US citizenship is because of Congressional statute, Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen. Ted Cruz is a naturalized citizen.
i think it's common sense, that the Founders got the first time, that natural born citizens are not naturalized citizens; and are born on US soil.


http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization
Citizenship Through Naturalization
Your child may qualify for naturalization if you are a U.S. citizen, the child was born outside the U.S., the child is currently residing outside the U.S., and all other eligibility requirements are met. Visit our Citizenship Through Parents page for more information.
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kahless said:
How? He has an American mother.

It makes for good politics though raising enough doubt to drive his numbers down.
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It doesn't matter if he had 2 or 20 US citizen parents. Because he was born abroad, his only claim to US citizenship is through Congressional statute; through Congress's Acts of Naturalization. These are naturalized citizens, not natural born.
 
In 1971, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black, who just 4 years earlier had written the majority opinion in the case of Afroyim v. Rusk, had the following observation to make of foreign-born children of US citizens; “Although those Americans who acquire their citizenship under statutes conferring citizenship on the foreign-born children of citizens are not popularly thought of as naturalized citizens, the use of the word "naturalize" in this way has a considerable constitutional history. Congress is empowered by the Constitution to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization," Art. I, 8. Anyone acquiring citizenship solely under the exercise of this power is, constitutionally speaking, a naturalized citizen.”
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/815/case.html
 
notsure said:
'Coulter: Cruz is Not a Natural Born Citizen'

January 06, 2016
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notsure said:
It doesn't make him a natural born US citizen. He didn't acquire US citizenship at birth. He acquired US citizenship through birth, by Congressional statute. Not all US citizens can transmit US citizenship to their children born abroad. The US citizen parent must meet statutory residency requirements, which are found in Immigration laws under sections titled 'Nationality and Collective Naturalization'.

Ted Cruz was easily afforded the opportunity to acquire US citizenship solely because of Congress's Constitutional authority to establish rules of Naturalization (Article 1. Sec. 8). The very clause allowing these children born abroad to be considered for US citizenship is found in the "Naturalization Acts". Congress could amend or outright restrict the generosity of granting citizenship, if it so chose to; and children born abroad to US citizen parents would have no claim to US citizenship. Where natural born US citizens are not gifted citizenship by Congressional action, and Where Ted Cruz's only acquisition to US citizenship is because of Congressional statute, Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen. Ted Cruz is a naturalized citizen.
i think it's common sense, that the Founders got the first time, that natural born citizens are not naturalized citizens; and are born on US soil.


http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization
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I'm not on the birther train here, but what you provided is that he is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born one.

EDIT: Ah, that was your point. Maybe I am on the Cruz birther train now? But it's not something I'd make an issue of because I know it'd go nowhere.
 
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