Cop Kicks Suspect's Head - High Fives Other Cop

[Kraig]

They are NOT his employees. He is one public servant in charge of other public servant. They are OUR employees.

Who am I kidding though, idealistically that is how it should be, to people who think tax funding police are a good thing that is how it should be. To me they are just thugs.

 

[constituent]

Am I being voted off the island?

And for what? Because I expressed some opinions that people found distasteful? Because I dared to not share in the groupthink? Because my posts contained elements of sarcasm? Because I didn't back down when certain posters clucked their tongues at me?

Well if you are so shocked, and can not bear to view my satanic ramblings any longer, then may I suggest to you the "ignore user" feature of these forums? It's a great feature. It allows you to block out anyone and everyone who's views you find offensive, stupid, and/or trollish. Turning a chaotic forum of argument into a soothing place where all your preconceptions can be reinforced, all your desires echoed, and all your blandness welcomed.

I disagree w/ the overall synthesis of your opinion in this thread, but the above wins post of the year.

 

[diggronpaul]

Might be interesting for other cops, but this one needs to go.

How do you know? How do you really know?

I think the issue is systemic, even though I'd say its very likely that the police, media and political class will attempt to convince the public that its one rogue cop, as you are indicating here.

I'm going to speculate that our public safety officers are getting inappropriate training, participate in a culture that condones this kinda violence, and are under unimaginable forces of stress. I'm going to speculate that these conditions would turn the best of men into ones who might flip on occasion.

Again, I'm not trying to excuse horrendous behavior, I'm just not going to be so quick to isolate the problem to a single bad apple. I think we have a bigger issue on our hands, and I'm not prepared to say that this situation has arisen accidentally either.

 

[Kraig]

I would imagine enslaving people who are innocent would lead to to a TON of stress when you're trying to maintain the persona both to yourself and others that you are a good person and even better than most in society.

 

[LibertyEagle]

How do you know? How do you really know?

I saw him kick the guy in the head. That's how I know.

I'm not interested in rehabilitating him. He needs to find a new career.

 

[PaulaGem]

There are also P.D.'s with systemic problems.

...

 

[Kraig]

Cops protect drug dealers, it's pretty ugly.

They do that here to just not exactly voluntarily. If certain cops catch a meth cook they will try to force him to cook for their group, if he does he get's legal protection, if he doesn't he ends up in jail.

 

[diggronpaul]

I saw him kick the guy in the head. That's how I know.

I'm not interested in rehabilitating him. He needs to find a new career.

My interest is in identifying the problem and resolving it, whatever that may be. .... and I find it hard to believe that its a single rogue cop.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

Not a neocon, just an admirer of Machiavelli.

Neocon: noun [Neo-kon] Late English. An admirer of Machiavelli

 

[constituent]

I think the issue is systemic, even though I'd say its very likely that the police, media and political class will attempt to convince the public that its one rogue cop, as you are indicating here.

I'm going to speculate that our public safety officers are getting inappropriate training, participate in a culture that condones this kinda violence, and are under unimaginable forces of stress. I'm going to speculate that these conditions would turn the best of men into ones who might flip on occasion.

Again, I'm not trying to excuse horrendous behavior, I'm just not going to be so quick to isolate the problem to a single bad apple. I think we have a bigger issue on our hands, and I'm not prepared to say that this situation has arisen accidentally either.

This analysis is spot on.

Today, many "law" enFORCEment officers were trained to murder their fellow man in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

As long as we live in a society of hero worship/hero culture, expect these problems to intensify. These incidents are merely symptoms of a broader, corrupted way of thinking.

 

[constituent]

Neocon: noun [Neo-kon] Late English. An admirer of Machiavelli

you clearly misunderstood machiavelli. i recommend a re-read (or, probably a first read) of his life's history and work.

thanks.

 

[LiveFree79]

A kick to the head like that can kill someone. Why don't we just let cops shoot and kill "criminals" like that? Screw the court of law.

If cops were smarter they can inflict a little pain in much more subtle ways. Like putting an armbar on the guy and ratcheting up the pain. The camera can't see that. A kick to the head is uncalled for when someone is resisting. The cop should be charged with assault.

 

[HRD53]

This was an interesting thread to read. I wonder how many of these opinions are at least partially based on negative dealings with law enforcement in the past...

I mean, the officer clearly was out of line and should be reprimanded, but you'll just have to forgive me for not feeling very bad for that criminal

Remember he's a criminal that just endangered a whole bunch of other people's lives. I'd like to see how many of you would act rationally with all that adrenaline pumping through your system.

I am not as zero tolerance as you guys are... Should he be fired? Perhaps. Be sent to jail? Give me a friggin break...

 

[ceakins]

could've just shot him, and said i thought i pulled my taser..

Actually that happened here with a female Kitsap County Deputy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This was an interesting thread to read. I wonder how many of these opinions are at least partially based on negative dealings with law enforcement in the past...

I mean, the officer clearly was out of line and should be reprimanded, but you'll just have to forgive me for not feeling very bad for that criminal

Remember he's a criminal that just endangered a whole bunch of other people's lives. I'd like to see how many of you would act rationally with all that adrenaline pumping through your system.

I am not as zero tolerance as you guys are... Should he be fired? Perhaps. Be sent to jail? Give me a friggin break...

It's not a question of "feeling bad for criminal".

Until he is found guilty by a jury of his peers he is a "suspect".

There are laws, by the volume, by the truckload, that we, non government employee citizens must follow to the "t".

There are laws and policies that regulate police work as well.

Wholesale violation of those laws, combined with the extreme and unwarranted power that "law enforcement" has been given over the last 20 years or so, is a dangerous precedent.

It's very simple:

You either "go by the book", or you are nothing more than a gangster with a badge.

And that is the very worst sort of gangster.

 

[asimplegirl]

My interest is in identifying the problem and resolving it, whatever that may be. .... and I find it hard to believe that its a single rogue cop.

In THIS case, one rogue cop IS the issue, as the suspect in the crime has been apprehended, and is under custody. NOW, there is another crime. Assault, or even attempted murder, depending on how you look at it.

 

[torchbearer]

Bill Clinton was like machiavelli.
It is better to act like you are a generous ruler and not really give much... but give the perception that you are.
His lessons are more true for totalitarian rulers, especially those in which the people are dependant on them.
You couldn't use his lessons to be a minarchist ruler.

 

[BeFranklin]

Actually I respect a boss who will stand up for his employees in tough times. The Chief has to keep the respect of the other thugs who report to him so he has to be rather slow and methodical about his stance here.

What are you even doing on these forums?

 

[BeFranklin]

I would imagine he is very glad about it, as is his lawyer. The city has deep pockets.

Most of these lawsuits don't go anywhere. The DA if he is corrupt will find some additional false charges to file, and then make a deal to drop the charges if the civil suits are dropped. Completely corrupt.

 

[BeFranklin]

Bring Back Grand Jury Awareness

This was an interesting thread to read. I wonder how many of these opinions are at least partially based on negative dealings with law enforcement in the past...

I mean, the officer clearly was out of line and should be reprimanded, but you'll just have to forgive me for not feeling very bad for that criminal

You should reform the court system then. People routinely get about three years for this.

I'm not going to advocate cops get judged under different standards then other people. If anything, they have higher standards, not look away and get away standards.

BY THE WAY

This is why making sure that citizens are aware of INDEPENDENT GRAND JURIES are important. Even if the DA is corrupt, a grand jury can file charges against the
cop after seeing this.