Convince me why Ron Paul (I am considering him)

[SeanEdwards]

One thing to keep in mind about Paul, he is the only person running who takes seriously the oath of office to uphold the US Constitution. Before anything else, Paul is a constitutionalist, and takes the rule of law very seriously.

Why is this important? It means that Paul's more radical sounding ideas, such as eliminating the income tax, should not scare you, because he will never claim unconstitutional authority as a "decider" to impose his will on the government. Paul has a vision of what the U.S. should be like ideally, but he is practical about getting there, and more than any other candidate you can trust that he would not abuse the power of the Presidency to enforce his views.

Something else about Paul that is unique, is his brutal and unrelenting honesty. There is no doubt about Paul's position on practically any matter. He won't be consulting with his attorneys or pollsters to figure out what his opinion should be. His entire career in government backs this up. Lobbyists don't even bother with him, because he can't be bought. He is truly in politics because has a vision of returning this country to the constitutional republic it was intended to be at the founding. None of the other candidates have any kind of vision other than seeing themselves in the oval office. They are all beholden to this monstrosity of soft fascist government we have grown in this country. Only Paul wants to kill the beast, the rest of them want to control it.

 

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Why should you support Ron Paul?

Because he is the only candidate, In my opinion, who genuinely supports the ideas and philosophy of Freedom, and Liberty. I see Ron Paul as having the same ideas of Liberty and Freedom as our Founding Fathers. I see the other candidates as being Big government, authoritarian-statist.

Ron Paul also understands economics. NONE of the other candidates do, in my opinion. I believe most things, if not all can be solved economically, and Ron Paul fits my mold of the perfect economic, pro-individual candidate.

 

[Marceline88]

Let me speak to your concerns on the Drug War....what RP wants to do is to get the Feds out of the game. He isn't saying to legalize all drugs, nothing of the sort actually, what he is saying is to let the states regulate these substances themselves.

More than a handful of states have already, or would if allowed to by the Feds, decriminalized medical marijuana, recreational marijuana and/or industrial hemp. This is the main issue for the anti drug war folks.......have compassion for sick folks who use cannabis as medicine, let farmers grow hemp as a crop and commodity again and leave peaceful stoners alone to make their own choices. There is NOT a huge push to legalize crystal meth, and you know it.

As far as RP is concerned this is a local issue for the states, an issue that requires more compassion and a realization that the sweeping draconian tactics have failed. It's time for the Federal Govt. to give up this fight. This is a moral and mental health battle better fought at home than in the prisons.

 

[Deborah K]

Listen to this: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=513

 

[Patriot123]

Just consider this about Iraq, for a second, and the middle east. Nearly the entire population wants us out. I'll say that again. Nearly the entire middle east wants us out. Who are we to say we're going to stay? The reason why they hate us; the CIA backs this claim, is because we're over there in their part of the world. Plus, we can't afford it. What would we say if, say, China or Russia came over here and slapped a military base in, say... The center of DC, or NYC? As RP said, I think we would all consider taking a few shots at em', right?

Policing the world. Why? We Americans are always so 'scared' of terrorists. Do we even recognize why people hate us? The CIA stated it. Because we police the world. If China invaded Taiwan, is that really going to affect us? Do you think Europe would feel the same way? Yes. Are they going to go and sort things out over there through the barrel of a gun just because they want to, and because they think doing so would be the right thing to do? No. That's endangering your country. The job of the commander in chief is to keep our country safe. Starting a war and putting your nose where it doesn't belong is not going to keep us safe. Our founders told us to stay out of entangling alliances. And we should do so. And plus, even if we wanted to, we can't afford it, period. If we continue doing this sort of thing, our country is going to end up EXACTLY like the Ottoman Empire. If you aren't familiar with the Ottoman Empire, it was essentially all of the Middle East and bordering areas which was predominantly Muslim. It fell after WWI to Europe over debt. They lost everything. Land and all. The government dissolved. It just disappeared. We borrow from China and other countries every single day. We are in debt by the trillions. If China wanted to wipe out our country, they could do so overnight by cashing in all of their bonds that they have invested in our government. They would dissolve the US overnight. We can't afford this.

As for the IRS, the IRS is illigal. It's a bank, technically. "But how will the country function without money," you ask? Well, we did just fine before 1913. You pay legal taxes, which are direct taxes, for things such as tolls, for example. That pays for roads. You pay a tax for schools. You pay a tax in some form for everything. If you look at it realistically, the income tax doesn't do anything but support wars which our founders would have opposed to the death. We're maintaining an empire that we simply cannot afford. And if we keep it up, we're going to fall into a depression. Heck, we all ready are because of this. The Federal Reserve? Prints money. Counterfeit. Illegal. The constitution states that all money must be backed by gold, silver and precious metals. It would be a disgrace to our founding fathers to do otherwise.
The education department? Do you really want your children being taught what some department wants them to be taught, or do you want to act as a parent and tell the school what you want them to teach your children? That's how it always was, up until some time ago. Parents decided what their children were taught by dictating it to the schools. The schools didn't answer to anyone but the parents.
The FBI? Corrupt. Period. End of story. Useless. You re-construct another similar department which is permitted by the constitution.
CIA? Have you seen what's been released recently about them? Corrupt. Get rid of it. Reconstruct it to fit what's allowed by the constitution.

Why follow the constitution? One, it's the law, and our founders knew more about leading a country than any single president that we've had knew. So we'd better take their advice... Right? It would be the smart thing to do.

Fair Tax? He doesn't support that? He supports what the constitution supports. He's a constitutionalist. If the constitution doesn't allow it, he won't allow it.

Ron Paul wouldn't basically go out on a one day spree to get rid of illigals. So it wouldn't ruin the economy. And if we go along with the rest of his other economic plans which are prescribed by the constitution, we wouldn't have these worries that if we deport all illigals we'll go into a depression or whatnot. It all evens out. That's why we have a constitution, written by some of the most intelligent leaders ever born.

Drugs? Hell yes they ruin lives. But is it our job to tell people what they can and cannot do? Are they infringing on our rights by smoking in privacy, or doing whatever they're doing? Nope. Free country, they should be able to do what they want. Now medical help is another issue. These people should obviously get help. But putting them in prison isn't exactly the most 'righteous' thing to do.

Ron Paul can[b/] win if people like you stand up, and got' the guts to stand up for what you believe in. A depression is coming about. And when that depression hits, you're going to see everyone gathering around Ron Paul's message. This has not only been predicted by major banks around the world, but prophesies, 'holy men' per say, etcetera. Now I'm not saying that I believe this instantly because some random guy who calls himself a holy man says so, but hey. It's pretty convincing, right? Especially when top banks say so as well. Ron Paul will win. His numbers are larger than the MSM shows them to be.


Let me put it this way. Would you rather support a guy who will completely destroy the nation (Ie almost any other candidate) just because they can win? Or are you going to stand up as an American, fight for freedom in the honor of your ancestors who gave their lives and blood so you could vote and be free? If you value your roots, you'll come around.

Hope I've helped If you need anything else answered, I'm here

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Convince me why Ron Paul (I am considering him)

I vehemently support the Iraq War.

Economically I am somewhat worried with Ron Paul's stances.

And for illegal immigration, I understand the notion "we shouldn't reward people who break the law." Morally I agree. But how should we send them back and still not ruin our economy? Does Ron Paul's plan assure it won't?

unlike drinking or smoking a cigarette it can do real damage.

And now for the big concern. Will his movement continue after Ron Paul? Because right now, his chance of being elected is minimal.

Should I support Ron Paul, and if so, why?

Harbinger of Truth, this thread will answer all of your questions.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=94473

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

No problem.

 

[athlon64bit]

He has stated that he would phase the gold standard in gradually as a competing currency and gradually phasing out the federal reserve, so no worries of suddenly closing the federal reserve.
Not everyone believes in the libertarian philosephy, but Ron Paul is into States Rights, so it is up to each state how they govern, eg drugs law, banning abortion and making it a crime or not etc. He would get rid of Roe Vs Wade, which he says is unconstitutional. His platform is a strict constitutional platform if you study him carefully.
Ron Paul doesn't want to run people's lives, so it is giving power back to the states, back to the people and decentralising power.

 

[dannno]

The surge in Iraq didn't work, it was a media ploy. Violence went down because we lost the south.

People are leaving Iraq in droves, like 10,000 per month. They will never be able to defend their land as long as people keep leaving.

You'll have to realize that there is a broader scheme behind this. The Neocons (who actually have militant communist roots) want to re-draw the borders for the entire middle east.

This is really a complex issue, I mean, our economy is depending on this relationship, we're not allowed to drill in ANWR even though we have 200+ years of oil (seriously.) otherwise that economic relationship would end.. however our economy is about to collapse anyway, and we're probably going to get screwed. If we don't, it would just be because the big money in the world is protecting us at the expense of someone else, and I just can't get behind that sort of thinking.

Ron Paul wants us to be an independent sovereign nation. We have the capability to support ourselves, but it's going to take some hard work, some re-organizing of our economy (we can't depend on a service economy forever) and we'll probably get through this.

Your other choice is Hillary. Our country will not allow another pro-war neocon to be elected unless they are a democrat (Hillary is a pro-war neocon, but she's a democrat). Ron Paul can get the conservative vote and hopefully a good chunk of the anti-war vote, that is if people see through the Clintons and their lies (homicide, fraud, laundering drug money, etc..)

 

[HarbingerOfTruth]

Woah, you guys make some good points. I still have to finish reading some of the stuff, but I get the gist of what you guys are saying. Though, if it isn't a problem, could you elaborate about ending the FBI, CIA, Board of Education, etc? Thats a hefty claim to want to eliminate them. And if you could elaborate on the drug war just a LITTLE more that would be perfect.

You guys have almost swayed me over, but I want to be convinced that I truly support the candidate I support.

"MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2" I don't know what you are talking about. I didn't come here to upset Ron Paul supporters nor to bring havoc. If I did, I would of came here posting a thread saying "VOTE MITT ROMNEY, HERES WHY." Instead I came here, making a thread being polite and with serious concerns many Americans have. I actually do like Ron Paul and especially after reading these replies am honestly considering switching my support to him.

 

[athlon64bit]

Rudy Guliani, is an "ex"-democrat as are many neo-cons.

 

[TSOL]

My simple advice is

DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME. Take a chance. 4 years of your life. Now look at the last 16 years of politcs.

Do something different. Everyone else will be the same old song.

 

[athlon64bit]

In 1988, he wanted to get rid of the CIA but that is not what he wants to do now. His platform now is to reduce the CIA to a purely intelligence gathering organisation. He wants to stop the CIA getting involved in overthrowing governments and interfering in other countries affairs (which ron paul believes it is one reason that encourages extremists to resent america and fuels terrorisms).

He is personally against the drug war, but like what I say he is running on a constitutionalist platform and therefore it would be up to the individual states on drug policy. Ron Paul doesn't want to "rule" america with his libertarian philosephy, he wants to move america back to a constitutional government and give back more power to the states.
I don't believe he wants to get rid of the FBI.
Home Schoolers tend to do better and ron paul believes federal control of education is a violation of a free country. He believes that schools should be answerable to the local community and parents and not the federal government in washington.

I would recommend watching these videos of Ron Paul.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WxldrCsVByA

and

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8VQcpmfT0f4

and this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4675147598117475973

After watching these videos, you will know whether you like or don't like Ron Paul.

 

[dannno]

FBI, CIA:

Military Intelligence = Good

Secret Military Operations = Really really bad.





Board of Education:

Why spend the money at the Federal level when it doesn't get results?? By getting rid of the income tax, more mothers will be able to raise their families and focus on their children's education. More money can be spent on TEACHERS and SCHOOLS instead of bureaucracy.


While we're at it..

FDA: Does more to protect food industry than help consumer. Gives consumers less choice.


EPA: Does more to protect big polluters than it does to protect the environment. Recently overturned California's decision to increase pollution standards.


Pollution is easy. Tax certain types of toxic pollutants heavily. Don't allow certain toxic chemicals to enter into the environment. This will force private property owners to use more discretion in what types of chemicals they are using to manufacture or produce goods. Don't subsidize, this can set unfair standards for those who pollute less. Don't use "credits" like with KYOTO, you get the same outcome.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Woah, you guys make some good points. I still have to finish reading some of the stuff, but I get the gist of what you guys are saying. Though, if it isn't a problem, could you elaborate about ending the FBI, CIA, Board of Education, etc? Thats a hefty claim to want to eliminate them. And if you could elaborate on the drug war just a LITTLE more that would be perfect.

You guys have almost swayed me over, but I want to be convinced that I truly support the candidate I support.

"MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2" I don't know what you are talking about. I didn't come here to upset Ron Paul supporters nor to bring havoc. If I did, I would of came here posting a thread saying "VOTE MITT ROMNEY, HERES WHY." Instead I came here, making a thread being polite and with serious concerns many Americans have. I actually do like Ron Paul and especially after reading these replies am honestly considering switching my support to him.

Although I know it's not surprising, I'll stick by myself on this one. Even moreso since you didn't have time to read everything, but you addressed me in particular.

So, why did you choose your name, Harbinger of Truth, when you signed up here specifically to ask questions? Isn't that a bit odd? Is that your handle everyplace you go, since you're so wishy-washy about stuff in general?

If you're legit, you'll forgive me for not buying it.

In the meantime, my answer to your post is still in the following thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=94473

If you don't forgive me for not buying it, then maybe you'll post that people like me are driving you away. I've seen several agents blow up on that one during their exit.

 

[HarbingerOfTruth]

Although I know it's not surprising, I'll stick by myself on this one. Even moreso since you didn't have time to read everything, but you addressed me in particular.

So, why did you choose your name, Harbinger of Truth, when you signed up here specifically to ask questions? Isn't that a bit odd? Is that your handle everyplace you go, since you're so wishy-washy about stuff in general?

If you're legit, you'll forgive me for not buying it.

In the meantime, my answer to your post is still in the following thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=94473

If you don't forgive me for not buying it, then maybe you'll post that people like me are driving you away. I've seen several agents blow up on that one during their exit.

First off, let me say I am not trying to have a debate, I am merely asking questions to see if I can support that. If I was trying to ruffle up people's feathers, I handled the situation completely wrong.

My original post was made over an hour ago so besides the long posts (which I intend to read shortly) I read a lot of posts and wanted to reply early so people knew I was still interested.

Let me just say that most of the people here I can guarantee did not have libertarian philosophies. They either did not vote, or voted for the mainstream candidates. I am among those people and I find it sad you don't try and convince me why not to.

Currently I am watching a video with Ron Paul, which happens to be the video that was posted not to long ago. Though I felt it was needed to pause it and respond to this. I will be looking at every post that is made here due to the fact they were nice enough to offer their time to me.

This is a forum and I was hoping to get responses to answer my questions, which I did quicker than I expected. Thank you everyone who responded and I will be reading your posts.

(Note, I picked the name "harbinger of truth" for a few reasons. One is the fact it sounds cool. Second is I like to be honest with myself and have honest beliefs. That is why I am open minded, and it seems Ron Paul brings a lot of truth to his message. I wanted to learn more about him and see if I can relate to his message).

 

[t3rmin]

Though, if it isn't a problem, could you elaborate about ending the FBI, CIA, Board of Education, etc?

The important thing to understand is Ron Paul doesn't want to eliminate needed services, only wasteful bureaucracies. He knows we need intelligence, and that function will continue.

Also remember eliminating the Dept of Education does not mean eliminating public eduction. Public education is funded primarily from local sources like property taxes. Federal control of education is only there seemingly to waste money and reduce quality. Ask any teacher how they feel about No Child Left Behind. Ron Paul wants to restore control of education to state & local & parents. Not so long ago, part of the Republican platform was eliminating the Dept of Education. Ron Paul has stayed true to that.

 

[hueylong]

This guy is wasting our time. On purpose.

 

[RonPaulalways]

The biggest reason to support Ron Paul is that he would seriously cut government spending. This will have a very positive affect on the American economy and standard of living.

No one, and I mean NO ONE, in Congress has a record of voting against spending like Ron Paul.

Washington is totally corrupt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/business/02shelf.html?pagewanted=all

Washington is all about the money, he writes. In 2005, the Census Bureau listed seven suburban counties around the capital as among the 20 richest in the country. And it’s not just Republicans cashing in on their service. “Upon leaving office,” he notes, “more than half of the senior officials in the Clinton administration became corporate lobbyists.”

You know Bush's recent prescription drug plan?

It was described by the Comptroller General of the United States as "probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960's":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGpY2hw7ao8

The Congressman who pushed hardest for the prescription drug plan got a $2 million a year job in the pharmaceutical industry after he left office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D#Criticisms

Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, R-La., who steered the bill through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Medicare boss Thomas Scully, who threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he reported how much the bill would actually cost, was negotiating for a new job as a pharmaceutical lobbyist as the bill was working through Congress.[20][21]

America is facing total economic collapse. Ron Paul is one of the only honest politicians left.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

original poster

To the OP, THANK YOU for taking the time to actually research these candidates and for taking the time to talk to supporters instead of blindly following who our media deem a "front runner". If more folks were like you than we would not have nearly as many problems as we currently do.

I think most of your questions have been answered in in depth and I will not try to improve upon the thoughts of my other Ron Paul supporters but I can leave you with this thought: I listened to Ron Paul and read his words and examined hsi record for quite some time before making the decision to support him. I finally just looked at my kids one day and realized that in their lifetimes they may never have chance to say they elected an honest man or that they fought for a noble cause and I knew Ron Paul was honest to a fault even if we agree with him at all. We will never have to guss where he stands or question if he will balk on campaign promises. We know that once we send this man to the the White House that he will keep on fighting for us just like he has been doing for so long already. He will not make rash decisions or tow the party line just because it is the popular thing to do. You, I am sure, have seen these other candidates mock Dr. Paul during the debates and laugh at his ideas that maybe, just maybe, we should follow our Constitution and back our currency with something, stop printing money out of thin air, stop feling the need to put military boots on the ground in every country tha starts with "I" or ends with a "stan", end government waste, give our people their money back and they really laughed when he had the audacity to say that we should not jump the gun on the Iranian navy incident from a few weeks back. It turns out that these "crazy" thoughts have been right all along. Our dollar is so weak that other countries have stopped accepting it and the canadian dollar is now the strongest currency in North America. The U.S. Navy was forced to admit that the voice on the tape from the Iranian navy incident a few weeks back was probably a man who has been harassing ships over the radio for years, our surge has failed to the point that we now pay people on both sides not to shoot at us, we gave 10 billion dollars of borrowed money to Pakistan for their national stability and it resulted in riots and assasinations and the list of what Dr. Paul has been right about could go on and on but I think you get the point.

We have a true man of integrity and honesty and humility in our midst and he has been fighting for us for so long and reminding these fat cats that WE are their bosses and not the other way around. He is dead on when it comes to foreign policy and the economy and he has been proven right time after time after time. He is a true gentleman,patriot and statesman in the tradition of Washington, Adams and Franklin. He is the founding father of our time and my family deserves to have an honest leader for once. I deserve to have an honest leader for once. You desrve it.. we all deserve it! So please... keep doing the research and keep examining the issues and I have no doubt that sooner or later you will be joining the ranks of the millions who have awakened all around the world.

 

[southerntrendkill]

"I still have to finish reading some of the stuff, but I get the gist of what you guys are saying. Though, if it isn't a problem, could you elaborate about ending the FBI, CIA, Board of Education, etc? Thats a hefty claim to want to eliminate them. And if you could elaborate on the drug war just a LITTLE more that would be perfect."


Drug War.

All drugs were legal for most of history. The Constitution was amended to make Alcohol illegal. Prohibition did not work, people were shot, criminals made money, more people were shot, ect. The Constitution was amended again to make alcohol legal.

After alcohol was made legal the federal agents that chased the "alcohol criminals" needed something to do so they made some drugs illegal, but did not amend the Constitution to do it. UnConstitutional. Now people get shot over drugs, criminals make money, more people get shot, ect. Plus the Government gets to spend $$$$$ fighting the "Drug War" and take away peoples rights, no-knock warrants, searches with out warrants, ect.

Just to be clear Ron Paul dosn't think drugs are good. But if you follow the Constitution the Federal Government has no authority to make them illegal or tell you what you can put in your own body.

If you are new to considering that the Government should follow the Constitution you are not alone. Most people have no concept of what the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States, and The Bill of Rights mean. Most people have never read them.

For a quick read try Judge Andrew P. Napolitano's "A Nation of Sheep" It documents where our Gov. has strayed and also has all Three Founding Documents included in the back of the book. It's also a NYT's best seller so its easy to find.

Welcome to the Revolution!!!

Now get reading what they don't teach you in Government Run Schools.