Convention in 4th Place vs Independent Run?

[dircha]

Based on what happened in WV, we already know that the Huckabee camp would cut a backroom deal to throw his support behind McCain at the convention in a bid for Vice President if it were even necessary, and there is nothing we can do about it.

What point, then, would there be to Paul staying in this thing? Anyone?

I think Paul could do very well in a Clinton vs McCain general election as an independent, and he has got to be thinking the same.

He would be the only anti-war vote.

 

[EvilEngineer]

We'd still run into the media black out problem

 

[ForrestLayne]

I just read this on another forum...

"In May of 1860, the votes of 233 delegates were required to win the Republican nomination. Abraham Lincoln arrived at that convention starting only with the support of the 22 delegates from Illinois. He went on to win the nomination."

This is why a brokered convention is so important! Abraham Lincoln won with less than 10% of the delegates to start off.

it can be done

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

I say to hell with it, lets just do the independent run. We have the infrastructure(17k precinct leaders, 100k meetup members, 1500 meetups), we have some money, I say SCREW THEM and we run third party, unless Bloomberg runs. I think we have a shot at winning, I really do. He can run Constitution Party and get on all the ballots.

The only problem with this is if its Hillary/Mccain, Bloomberg will run. If either Obama or Romney wins, RP should run.

 

[Shink]

We'd still run into the media black out problem

I think the real focus now should be keeping this movement from disbanding. NWO got the job done on the (s)election.

 

[nullvalu]

I think the real focus now should be keeping this movement from disbanding. NWO got the job done on the (s)election.

How's this for a concept for everyone then? Quit playing Armchair Campaign Manager, and just wait to see what Ron Paul decides to do!!

 

[ForLibertyFight]

I say to hell with it, lets just do the independent run. We have the infrastructure(17k precinct leaders, 100k meetup members, 1500 meetups), we have some money, I say SCREW THEM and we run third party, unless Bloomberg runs. I think we have a shot at winning, I really do. He can run Constitution Party and get on all the ballots.

The only problem with this is if its Hillary/Mccain, Bloomberg will run. If either Obama or Romney wins, RP should run.

Paul/Bloomberg ticket anyone?

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

How's this for a concept for everyone then? Quit playing Armchair Campaign Manager, and just wait to see what Ron Paul decides to do!!

Ron has said he will stay in the race as long as his supporters continue to be enthusiastic and want him in it. I would like to convince others on this forum to get excited about an indy run (as I am) and hopefully contribute to convincing RP to run.

Also, I am writing off the animosity in this thread and others as the result of frustration from our single digit results today. I still love you all.

 

[Feelgood]

Enough of the independent talk already, it isnt going to happen.

 

[Jeremy]

We'd still run into the media black out problem

I know Glenn Beck has said he'd have Paul on his show if he ran independent. And he was VERY serious. Others would probably do the same (Tucker?).

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Independent run is the only option now. Don't give up on Ron just because the stupid-ass GOP rejected him. They are a failed party going down the tubes.

It's Ron to the White House or bust.

 

[Feelgood]

ArrestPoliticians ==> added to ignore list

Please stop the third party talk. It is not going to happen...

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

ArrestPoliticians ==> added to ignore list

Please stop the third party talk. It is not going to happen...

No, you stop trolling, god dammit.

Indy run is all we have left, so if you're not down for it, then LEAVE.

 

[derekjohnson]

You never know what could happen...Rush Coulter and the rest of the conservative talking heads have already said McCain isn't conservative enough. Many Obama supporters out there refuse to vote for Hillary. Huckabee and Obama both do very well with younger voters, who may consider switching to Paul if their candidate isn't an option. If it is Hillary and McCain, Paul could make a respectable showing as a third party candidate.

 

[dreicher]

Sorry, but it's time to go independent or 3rd party. Republicans are lost and won't be finding their way back any time soon. RP is a bright light trying to shine in a black hole.

Call me a troll if you want, but here goes...

Ron Paul should just say "to hell with it" and run outside the 2-parties. He has a strong base of support already and can spend the next 4 months banking his money for a run. Based on tonight, McCain, Romney and Huck are all going to be in until the convention and who needs that noise. He's not going to break out (the MSM won't let it happen) and he's not going to win the convention (sorry, but the Old Republican Guard will obviously foist any warm body up to see that doesn't happen).

There are a TON of people outside the 2-party system that would love a third option, and - quite frankly - when the smoke clears there are going to be a lot of people in their parties that feel as though they got screwed and could defect. Instead of trying to convince the hardest-headed 30% of the populace - let's go after the 70% who we can get to.

Here is all I need to know:

1. Will Ron consider an independent run if he has the support?
2. How much will it cost (broken down by month from here to November) to make it happen?
3. What needs to be in place by when to see that he is on every ballot?

Dr. Paul, you have a platform that appeals to a massive number of people. You have a legion of supporters that will work together to bring your voice to an audience that will appreciate and accept it. Your key policies are supported by more than 70% of Americans - let us focus on turning them into believers and let the other idiots clamor for the 30% they already have.

Dr. Paul - please reconsider an outside run for the White House. I know it is a lot to ask of you, but your country needs you now more than ever - even if they don't yet recognize it. I will support you until November either way, but I ask you to give us supporters the tools we need (put every American in play) so that we can watch you be sworn in next January. We can do this. We will do this.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I say SCREW THEM and we run third party, unless Bloomberg runs.
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The only problem with this is if its Hillary/Mccain, Bloomberg will run.

Lol! Bloomberg was the anti-Paul. His hints at running were meant to counter Paul. If it's Hillary and McCain, there isn't a chance in hell of Bloomberg running. He's with them.

 

[AlexMerced]

I would say the best bet to take over the legislative branch... http://www.libertywarchest.com

a indpendant run would be fun and all... but it'd distract us from out legislative runs and we'll end up with no offices.

 

[dreicher]

I would say the best bet to take over the legislative branch... http://www.libertywarchest.com

a indpendant run would be fun and all... but it'd distract us from out legislative runs and we'll end up with no offices.

Not if we won. Then we'd have 1, but a pretty freakin' big 1.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

I would say the best bet to take over the legislative branch... http://www.libertywarchest.com

a indpendant run would be fun and all... but it'd distract us from out legislative runs and we'll end up with no offices.

That's a good point about not losing focus on the legislature, but the whole reason any of us are here now is because of this presidential campaign. Think how many more we could recruit to our cause with 8 more months of indy campaigning. I really think an RP independent run would help pro-liberty republicans running for other offices more than anything. RP exposes thousands to the ideas of liberty every extra day he is in the race. Just my opinion.

 

[crazyfingers]

Ron has said that he will not make a 3rd party/independent run. "I'm ruling it out" and "not gonna happen" were his exact words. He is not going to give up his seat in Congress for an independent run which is doomed from the start. Some people here have the right idea. We need to use the excitement this campaign has generated to build a powerful, long-lasting grassroots movement. If we all pull together, we can get enough liberty-minded people into the House and Senate to really make a difference in this country. I suspect RP will provide some direction but it will be left largely up to us.