Convention in 4th Place vs Independent Run?

stormcommander said:
I know Glenn Beck has said he'd have Paul on his show if he ran independent. And he was VERY serious. Others would probably do the same (Tucker?).
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He already had him on his show. A lot of good it did him. Anyone who thinks he would get any better media coverage if he ran as independent should think again.

The biggest thing that the media does for a candidate is to show clips of them all the time and talk favorably of them all the time. Putting them on shows does not help a fraction as much since a lot of people will not even listen to them talk. Ron Paul will never get a fraction of this that the other candidates do.

Just keep trying to get people to watch the movie "America: Freedom to Fascism". It works and I would bet a very large portion of the first supporters had watched that movie. Once you are educated you know something must be done about all of this.
 
Stop with the indy crap. If Paul decides to do that I will back him, but he has very good reason not to. First of all you will still get the "I am not going to wast my vote" bull crap from a ton of people who think an independent will never be able to win anyway. Second, a brokered convention may still be a possibility and our best shot. If that fails then we can think about independent. But until one of those things happens please give this crap a rest. Please!
 
4th place

Strange thing about a convention...you never know what is going to happen.

You never know what is going to happen between now and then.

And you make the most important thing happen. You connect with all of america between now and then for future republican or independent runs of the movements.

The last reason alone is why Dr. Paul should go all the way to convention even if he gets no more advertisements.

He has gotten quite a few seconds whereever he campaigned smarterly and hit the issues, etc.

But this movement is just warming up...many things can happen between now and next year.

If Hillary and McCain win we have no choice but to fight to the bitter end and beyond....and we can be sure our army will greatly increase if this happens.

This is not a time to make a perot support group mistake all over again....we are fighting for our country, not just our party.

This fight must go, on and on end on, convention and candidate after candidate
 
scandinaviany3 said:
Strange thing about a convention...you never know what is going to happen.

You never know what is going to happen between now and then.

And you make the most important thing happen. You connect with all of america between now and then for future republican or independent runs of the movements.

The last reason alone is why Dr. Paul should go all the way to convention even if he gets no more advertisements.

He has gotten quite a few seconds whereever he campaigned smarterly and hit the issues, etc.

But this movement is just warming up...many things can happen between now and next year.

If Hillary and McCain win we have no choice but to fight to the bitter end and beyond....and we can be sure our army will greatly increase if this happens.

This is not a time to make a perot support group mistake all over again....we are fighting for our country, not just our party.

This fight must go, on and on end on, convention and candidate after candidate
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I admit that none of us can predict for sure what would happen at a brokered convention. However, at this point, I feel very safe in saying that no amount of back room dealing will get RP a sniff at the nomination. We are an anti-war campaign running for the nomination of a pro-war party. What would be the justification for taking the nomination from one of the top 3 and giving it to a guy who consistently gets single digit results? I hope I'm wrong.

The other question I keep asking myself is, What message would garner the most attention and support from now until the convention in September:

1) "I'm Ron Paul and I'm running for a nomination that I am almost mathematically eliminated from." (almost no interest from most people)

or

2) "I'm Ron Paul and I've decided to run Independent for President because the two party system has failed." (at least some interest and a new audience to target)

I obviously prefer the latter. Further the cause by striking while the iron is hot (or at least semi-warm).
 
At this point, it is clear to me that the Rep party is beyond saving.

They are warmongers, plan and simple. There is no changing that....

I hoped that Republicans would see the light, see that McCain, Romney and Huck are fake conservatives I will only bring destruction.

I want Ron Paul to keep going, and at this point an independent run seems the only option.

The problem is that the media will never talk about him and ignore him just like they have so far. I don't know how we get past this hurdle...
 
BigRedBrent said:
Stop with the indy crap. If Paul decides to do that I will back him, but he has very good reason not to. First of all you will still get the "I am not going to wast my vote" bull crap from a ton of people who think an independent will never be able to win anyway. Second, a brokered convention may still be a possibility and our best shot. If that fails then we can think about independent. But until one of those things happens please give this crap a rest. Please!
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1. A brokered convention is not going to happen.

2. Canvassing is done for in half the states as of now, unless he goes iNDY. If he goes iNDY, on the other hand, we would have 8 months to canvass and get 200,000 plus precinct captains.

3. ...:

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.
 
literatim said:
Ron Paul isn't going to run as an independent nor 3rd party.
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that would be the most horrible thing to happen in my lifetime, IF that were true.

But, it's not.

diesirae said:
Paul has said repeatedly that he will not run 3rd party. Why would he lie to us like that?
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No he hasn't!

He is absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

Actually, I will say this... If it appears that the GOP will be utterly, hopelessly lost, as in completely abandoning constitutional and conservative ideals like protection of civil liberties, small, limited government, national sovereignty, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, then maybe Ron Paul and his 10% base that exists now should all sign up under the banner of a new coalition, maybe it could be a party, maybe call it the Conservative Party. That way we go into the contest for the General election with some orginization--and if it catches on maybe it could beat down the Republican Party that so many conservatives are fed up with. Also, any Ron Paul Republicans could join the Conservative Party (or whatever it is) and could run for Congress and state seats under its banner in the upcoming election, especially if they don't make it in their primaries.

We could create "the Conservative party" with our email, fundraising, and canvassing lists--and, of course, with our delegate lists. Although I still don't know if that would be better than iNDY. The reason I say that is because we might alienate the Libertarians and Constitution party folks, whereas we wouldn't if we went iNDY--but they are only like 4% of the voting public if that. "Conservative Party" (or another name possibly) would get us the Buchananites and many others I'm sure.

We WILL win iNDY.
 
ProfNo said:
At this point, it is clear to me that the Rep party is beyond saving.

They are warmongers, plan and simple. There is no changing that....

I hoped that Republicans would see the light, see that McCain, Romney and Huck are fake conservatives I will only bring destruction.

I want Ron Paul to keep going, and at this point an independent run seems the only option.

The problem is that the media will never talk about him and ignore him just like they have so far. I don't know how we get past this hurdle...
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Welcome, brother. :)
 
ronpaulyourmom said:
www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com <--pledge here.


Face it, the GOP has rejected us. There is no plausible path to the nomination after today, none. The next stage in our ideological struggle to save this country is to undertake an Independent run for the White House. I realize there are a lot of naysayers on this issue. Some people think it's insanely hard to do and that it cannot be done. I submit the following points to argue otherwise. If you agree, please help me spread word about the site and make sure to signup today. :D


Ballot Signatures:
We need to gather about 800,000 signatures nationwide to get on the ballots. We have a wonderful precinct captain system to help accomplish this, and I've read reports that to hire collectors to do the job would cost about 3 million dollars. It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that we cannot collect these signatures.

Sore Loser Laws:
Only four states in the country present possible issues with Sore Loser laws: Texas, Ohio, South Dakota, and Mississippi. There may be legal grounds to dispute these laws. More information here and here

Votes:
Polling done by Rasmussen a week ago showed that Ron Paul would garner between 7-11% of the vote in four-way matchups that included Bloomberg, Paul, and the GOP/Dem nominees. More info here.

Debates:
Perot got in them before, no reason we cant pull it off as well. If the polling above is true, then the media might actually let us in. Double digit support is the key, and it looks like we might be able to manage that.

A New Era:
We've learned some important lessons and made some mistakes, but the campaign activities have improved at the official level, and the grassroots got their much needed wakeup call that our attention starved methods are not very effective. We still have powerful weapons at our disposal, namely the 24 hour news cycle, new media, high name recognition, record high voter dissatisfaction, etc... Most importantly, we have the winning message and the dedication to spread it. Educating people takes time, we shouldn't give up yet.
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