Constitutional Question - FLDS Church Raid

UtahApocalypse said:
Why has Ron Paul not addressed this?? It in Texas his home state!!!! I seriously will NEVER visit Texas after this. I hope the do leave the United States, they don't deserve the Freedom were fighting for.
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:rolleyes:

if you can't figure out the way the game is played here, you are probably better off not visiting. these folks could have used your advice...

...and what would you have everyone do?

and as for the comment klamath made above?

the entire world is injustice.

i still want to know what will become of all the property after the convictions start rolling.
 
some new information. below is the actual affidavit for the search warrant. Reading through it I can find that they were to search EVERYWHERE (blanket warrant which have been shown unconstitutional in the past) They were to search for Dale Barlow, who has not been in Texas for 20 years and is under watch by a parole officer in Arizona. Also in the affidavit it mentions his conviction in Az but nothing about him being on parole. (so there was not investigation beforehand?) Lastly they were looking for a teenage female, reportedly pregnant. And the final straw in all of this..... The entire thing is based on 1 I repeat ONE phone call, not even to police but to a shelter. There is no call record available, no recordings. So if ANY of you can show me how this is at all constitutional I would love to hear it.

http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/FLDSaffidavit.pdf
 
Actually it brings up the heart of this atrocity.
Its called "King as Father". Our governments own our children. They have the "right" to take them from you. That is our current socialist system. Its like that in every state.
You the parent, do not have full right over your child. Yet- you hold full responsibility for them.

As long as things like public schools exist, we have given our government parental rights over our children. Because, now, the government has a role as parent in raising your child, and thus has a vested interest, that started with your government granted marriage.
There were three parties in that marriage, you, your mate, and the government. All three parties have a vested interest in the fruits of that marriage.
 
Sandra said:
They are also granted no bid defense contracts:
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Where do you find that they are no bid contracts?
I found this.
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/13/886162.aspx
A Defense Department spokesman says the Pentagon didn't do anything wrong. He tells NBC News that the Defense Department does "not consider religious affiliation" when awarding contracts and relies on cost and performance in selecting contractors.

And the Defense Department was apparently pleased with Western Precision's work. In 2002, it honored the company with its "Innovative Business Performer of the Year" award.
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Your other "source" is
according to Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman
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How about facts rather than opinions.
 
We wouldn't hand over our car to a complete stranger, why do we hand over our kids to complete strangers in public schools?
 
I know two sisters that were in the FLDS. One of them said they were a perfect choice for secret government crap because there is no paper trail to show identity. They don't have birth certificates or social security cards. But yet they let them apply for benefits from the state. Who pays that bill?
 
I swear this issue is growing on me more with every new report I honestly think this will be the case to test the Constitution more then any before. There are many aspects that can be weighed in on from religious freedoms, to 4th amendment rights. the judge that currently is running the case is the same one who issued the unconstitutional blanket warrant, she has a vested interest. There is NO way she will not rule in favor of eachand every thing the State CPS asks for.

The scarier part is that most everyone agrees with Texas. there are not thousands of people converging on San Angelo demanding due process for the families. the State knew going in that the FLDS were a misunderstood, and hated group. They know thay can play the "Save the children" card and do anything legal or not.

Why are our freedom loving Texans not their? If I did not start a new job next week I would be their.
 
UtahApocalypse said:
I swear this issue is growing on me more with every new report I honestly think this will be the case to test the Constitution more then any before. There are many aspects that can be weighed in on from religious freedoms, to 4th amendment rights. the judge that currently is running the case is the same one who issued the unconstitutional blanket warrant, she has a vested interest. There is NO way she will not rule in favor of eachand every thing the State CPS asks for.

The scarier part is that most everyone agrees with Texas. there are not thousands of people converging on San Angelo demanding due process for the families. the State knew going in that the FLDS were a misunderstood, and hated group. They know thay can play the "Save the children" card and do anything legal or not.

Why are our freedom loving Texans not their? If I did not start a new job next week I would be their.
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QFT! That judge isn't going to rule against her warrant. She would make herself look like a fool because she is the one who said their was probable cause to begin with... this needs to be heard by another judge and I hope the attorneys for the parents brings this up in court, at least it would be on record for any appeals.
 
Sandra said:
You can Google it for yourself but something tells me you won't.
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Googled, several ways, only found one reference in a blog entry with no source.
Post your sources.
All I find is" Awarded contract" and,
And the Defense Department was apparently pleased with Western Precision's work. In 2002, it honored the company with its "Innovative Business Performer of the Year" award.
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If you have facts, not random opinion or hate filled spew, please post it.
 
pcosmar said:
Googled, several ways, only found one reference in a blog entry with no source.
Post your sources.
All I find is" Awarded contract" and,


If you have facts, not random opinion or hate filled spew, please post it.
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What would you REQUIRE?

If I brought you 2 former members of the sect, I suppose that would be refuted as invalid proof as well.
 
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Sandra said:
What would you REQUIRE?

If I brought you 2 former members of the sect, I suppose that would be refuted as invalid proof as well.
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Well I would like to see facts. I am not interested in emotional ravings, or unsupported opinion.

I could bring 2 members of the Catholic Church to rant about Catholics.
I can point to the Westboro Baptist Church as a bad example.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
I could find several cases of children that did not get their own way and told a story.
That still does not give the Government an excuse to destroy a hundred families, or execute a search warrant on only the word of a Government official.
Suspicion is grounds for an investigation, not for a warrant.
In this case NO investigation was done till after the fact, and that investigation is showing the holes in the story.
 
pcosmar said:
Well I would like to see facts. I am not interested in emotional ravings, or unsupported opinion.

I could bring 2 members of the Catholic Church to rant about Catholics.
I can point to the Westboro Baptist Church as a bad example.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
I could find several cases of children that did not get their own way and told a story.
That still does not give the Government an excuse to destroy a hundred families, or execute a search warrant on only the word of a Government official.
Suspicion is grounds for an investigation, not for a warrant.
In this case NO investigation was done till after the fact, and that investigation is showing the holes in the story.
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QFT.
 
The issue is that they took all the kids...Children and family services is supposed to deal on a family by family case...not the whole community.
 
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