Confirmed: US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid

[constituent]

Israelis are not illegal aliens

Yes they are. Unless of course you're a big supporter of the United Nations.

Coming from a redistributionist like yourself it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[lester1/2jr]

baptist- sudan isn't an ally, israel is and they aren't supposed to be "fire" they are supposed to be our friends

The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.

so you admit they ran her over on purpose.

 

[John Taylor]

Yes they are. Unless of course you're a big supporter of the United Nations.

Coming from a redistributionist like yourself it wouldn't surprise me.

Government is that great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.

You're full of it.

The UN is the group that has consistently opposed Israel, and has a 50 year history of passing resolutions condmening Israel. When Israel was invaded by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and the Arab League in 1948, the UN didn't have a problem, or in '56 until the Israelis kicked Egyptian ass, or in 1967 until it became obvious Israel was demolishing the Soviet equipped Arab armies, or in 1973 when Eqypt and Syria launched a surprise attack... until of course the Israelis recovered and began advancing into Syria and Egypt. Abolish the UN, abolish foreign aid, restore the non interventionist foreign policy of the framers, and allow foreign countries like Israel and Egypt to settle their own problems.

 

[John Taylor]

baptist- sudan isn't an ally, israel is and they aren't supposed to be "fire" they are supposed to be our friends



so you admit they ran her over on purpose.

I never admitted that, or said anything which even remotely could have been construed that way. I said, she committed suicide by bulldozer by standing right in front of it when it was bulldozing a house, and just refused to move. She took responsibility for herself, and she died. Tough.

 

[constituent]

Government is that great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.

You're full of it.

No John, you're full of it.

The UN is the group that has consistently opposed Israel,

Like they say, ignorance is bliss! You must be a very happy man!

Might want to brush up on the very founding of the Israeli apartheid regime.


Have a good one!

 

[lester1/2jr]

the bulldozer was supposed to stop. that's the humane thing to do. you know, humanity? morals, the stuff western civilization was built on.

the things our allies are ALSO supposed to believe in?

 

[John Taylor]

No John, you're full of it.



Like they say, ignorance is bliss! You must be a very happy man!

Might want to brush up on the very founding of the Israeli apartheid regime.


Have a good one!

I'm familiar with the founding of Israel in June 1948, and I'm familiar with the various wars and international interventions which have occured there since.

Why don't you just come out and admit that you don't favor non-interventionism when it comes to Israel and their domestic conflicts?

Why precisely is Egypt and Israel not within their lawful powers to enforce a lawful blockade of an area they both maintain a state of war with? What exactly were the Germans doing in WWII with their UBoats? What was the U.S. doing in the Pacific? What did the American Navy do in the Revolutionary War??

Google "consistency" and read the definition.

Have a greeeat one.

 

[John Taylor]

the bulldozer was supposed to stop. that's the humane thing to do. you know, humanity? morals, the stuff western civilization was built on.

the things our allies are ALSO supposed to believe in?

The bulldozer was supposed to stop? Uh, I didn't see that memo. She took the risk, and her gamble lost. Tough.

She was an adult, and made an adult decision, thinking she wouldn't have to pay the consequences---not thinking she could be wrong, but she was.

 

[catdd]

"US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid "

They just better be glad it wasn't Miduras because, I swear to God, there would have been serious retribution.

 

[constituent]

Why don't you just come out and admit that you don't favor non-interventionism when it comes to Israel and their domestic conflicts?

lol! great way to start a debate... by making up your opponent's position for him. (and getting it wrong )

you are a hoot john! and always equally ridiculous!

this rest of your post was the typical john taylor crap pulled out of left field, so it's just as well that it's ignored!

 

[constituent]

The bulldozer was supposed to stop?

Yea, murder is USUALLY considered wrong. I understand that you allow for a couple of exceptions though, like pesky young women.

Who needs them when you have pressing business like homes to mow under?

I recommend you google "consistency" and give it a think.

 

[John Taylor]

"US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid "

They just better be glad it wasn't Miduras because, I swear to God, there would have been serious retribution.

If he tries to stop a lawfully imposed blockade of a belligerent power, as was the case here between Egypt, Israel, and their blockade of Gaza, and he tries to use force to break it, he is placing himself outside the protection of our constitution and our laws.

 

[John Taylor]

Yea, murder is USUALLY considered wrong. I understand that you allow for a couple of exceptions though, like pesky young women. Who needs them when you have homes to mow under?

Murder requires INTENT pal. She thought the bulldozer would stop, the bulldozer opperator assumed she was a reasonable person and would get out of the way of a hundred ton earth moving piece of equipment.

 

[constituent]

Murder requires INTENT pal.

I'm no pal of yours John. Let's just get that out in the open. k?thnx

When you run someone over with a bulldozer, the intent is clearly murder.

Nice try though at defending the indefensible! I'll give you bonus points for chutzpah!

Anyway, headed out the door. Enjoy your afternoon.

 

[MelissaWV]

I'm no pal of yours John. Let's just get that out in the open. k?thnx

When you run someone over with a bulldozer, the intent is clearly murder.

Nice try though at defending the indefensible! I'll give you bonus points for chutzpah!

In agreement with you, consti'.

Perhaps if I run at you with a knife drawn and held steady, and happen to stab you, it becomes your fault entirely since you did not get out of the way.

I don't think we should have done anything on a Governmental level in response to the incident, but pretending that the bulldozer operator bears zero responsibility is silly.

 

[catdd]

If he tries to stop a lawfully imposed blockade of a belligerent power, as was the case here between Egypt, Israel, and their blockade of Gaza, and he tries to use force to break it, he is placing himself outside the protection of our constitution and our laws.

I don't give a shit what you say, I'm telling you there would have been retribution.

 

[Travlyr]

I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

That said, I believe that the U.S. government should do something because this was done in international waters. Had it been done in Israel's waters, well, Israel can do whatever the heck it wants in its own waters. But because this was in international waters I believe the U.S. should raise a stink about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/american-killed-gaza-aid-flotilla/story?id=10814848

God forbid that we should be able to live in a peaceful world where we can travel and enjoy life. What if Christians were to promote a peaceful world?

YouTube - Rachel Corrie - American Hero!

YouTube - Rachel Corrie 5th Grade Speech I'm here because I care

Rachel Corrie is simply another statistic for central bankers.
Much of the world's problems will go away when we finally end the rein of central banks.

 

[John Taylor]

I'm no pal of yours John. Let's just get that out in the open. k?thnx

When you run someone over with a bulldozer, the intent is clearly murder.

Nice try though at defending the indefensible! I'll give you bonus points for chutzpah!

Anyway, headed out the door. Enjoy your afternoon.

You're damned right we're not pals. I have no interest in being lumped together with someone who supports people who advocate genocide.

Merely because someone is run over does not establish Mens Rea, or criminal intent to commit a crime. Read a book on Criminal Law. I advise this one, it was the one I used in school.

 

[tpreitzel]

Yeah, now you're starting to catch on. Israel and Egypt are AT WAR with GAZA!!!!

Got it, that's WHY Egypt and Israel have a blockade in place.

Acts of war don't remain one-sided. One thing (act of war) leads to another (act of war). Got it? Nice little mess this act of war has spawned, eh?

 

[John Taylor]

I don't give a shit what you say, I'm telling you there would have been retribution.

The law governs. We live, or ought to live, under the rule of law---and maritime international law allows for blockades of belligerents. Gaza is a belligerent under blockade from both Egypt and Israel, those are the facts, even if you want to shut your eyes and run around like Chicken Little.