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jupiter, they're well known around the revolution. Ron Paul road warriors in a big motor home who have campaigned all over the country.
Confirmed: PayPal sabotages New Hampshire vote recount
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jupiter, they're well known around the revolution. Ron Paul road warriors in a big motor home who have campaigned all over the country.
Dave Pedersen
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I am waiting for the lawsuit!
It's easy to file, only small filing fee normally under $100, paperwork is simple and some legal people here on the forums know how to do that. Each voter could sue one at a time. I'm sure anyone who donated could sue, and who cares, file it anyway, send a message.
The SOS needs to be recalled. He should be doing a recount on principal alone. NH people need to start a recall petition right now.
The SOS needs to know a recall will be done if he doesn't do whats right, here's info:
[email protected]
Secretary of State - William M. Gardner
Senior Deputy Secretary of State - Robert P. Ambrose
Deputy Secretary of State - David M. Scanlan
State House, Room 204, Concord, N.H. 03301
Phone: 603-271-3242 Fax: 603-271-6316
Email: [email protected]
The law is "RSA 660":
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxiii/660/660-mrg.htm
"the candidate shall pay the fees as provided in RSA 660:2, III and shall agree in writing with the secretary of state to pay any additional costs of the recount."
Nothing about a 1 day pay or else timeframe. NOTHING! Look for yourself.
This is what the SOS MUST do: 660:4 "Upon satisfactory application for a recount as provided in RSA 660:1, the secretary of state shall begin the process of recounting the ballots on the Wednesday following the deadline for requesting a recount."
660:1 has been satisfied, the "agree to pay" part has been submitted. NOTHING about any time limit to pay in the law.
You should be really upset about this, steaming mad, American votes aren't being counted properly!
(and 1% difference is all we need to get the money returned it looks like)
Did I post the email? [email protected]
Did I post the fax? 603-271-6316
It's easy to file, only small filing fee normally under $100, paperwork is simple and some legal people here on the forums know how to do that. Each voter could sue one at a time. I'm sure anyone who donated could sue, and who cares, file it anyway, send a message.
The SOS needs to be recalled. He should be doing a recount on principal alone. NH people need to start a recall petition right now.
The SOS needs to know a recall will be done if he doesn't do whats right, here's info:
[email protected]
Secretary of State - William M. Gardner
Senior Deputy Secretary of State - Robert P. Ambrose
Deputy Secretary of State - David M. Scanlan
State House, Room 204, Concord, N.H. 03301
Phone: 603-271-3242 Fax: 603-271-6316
Email: [email protected]
The law is "RSA 660":
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxiii/660/660-mrg.htm
"the candidate shall pay the fees as provided in RSA 660:2, III and shall agree in writing with the secretary of state to pay any additional costs of the recount."
Nothing about a 1 day pay or else timeframe. NOTHING! Look for yourself.
This is what the SOS MUST do: 660:4 "Upon satisfactory application for a recount as provided in RSA 660:1, the secretary of state shall begin the process of recounting the ballots on the Wednesday following the deadline for requesting a recount."
660:1 has been satisfied, the "agree to pay" part has been submitted. NOTHING about any time limit to pay in the law.
You should be really upset about this, steaming mad, American votes aren't being counted properly!
(and 1% difference is all we need to get the money returned it looks like)
Did I post the email? [email protected]
Did I post the fax? 603-271-6316
LibertyEagle
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No, they do not.
Yes they do actually. There have been people complaining about Paypal ever since it was born. Google is your friend. I don't buy or sell anything on Ebay anymore just because of Ebay and Paypal's privacy and security policy.
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Dam, i wish i knew about this paypal crap before the deadline.
I would put 65k of my own funds down for the recount, if the people who run the chipin promised to give the chipin money to me.
I dunno if that's legal for a canadian to do, but i would've done it if it is, too bad it's too late
I would put 65k of my own funds down for the recount, if the people who run the chipin promised to give the chipin money to me.
I dunno if that's legal for a canadian to do, but i would've done it if it is, too bad it's too late
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let me know asap,ill cancel my paypal account if needed
I have dealt very sucessfully with paypal for many years so what I have to say should not be taken lightly or blown off.
PayPal more than likely froze the account for a TOS violation regarding the use of the PayPal account for other purposes besides to make purchases on EBay. According to the TOS this is the only thing PayPal may be used for. On top of that it was also probably frozen days after the transaction occured to withdraw funds from the account. This action would have triggered a flag and they would have stopped the payment until further information was given to PayPal such as a FAXED copy of your ID, utility bill, phone bill, social security card, and many other means of proving who you are and showing a supplier list for the products that were sold. In this case they could not do that and the funds would be frozen for a minimum of three months. At which time their account can be deleted and the funds will then return to the senders or PayPal will take them like they useually do.
PayPal is not under any obligation since they are not FDIC insured to return the money you deposit with them.
To the person that stated you need to be incorporated to have an EIN... That is completely false. I have several EIN's and operate Sole Propietorship's, Non-Profit Association's, an LLP and 3 501c3 organizations. None of these are Incorporated and all have separate EIN's.
Also it does not take 10 days to setup a business paypal account. I setup many before I got tired of losing money to them and took my business elsewhere. After which time I finally recovered the money they stole from me and never when back. Anyway it takes maybe 3 days. That is tops because while you are waiting for them to send verification to your bank you can be sending in your other information they require.
This will be one long battle before anyone recieves their money back and I feel sorry for anyone the contributed. Next time use moneybookers or one of the digital gold currencies avalible. Also if you go to: http://www.wiredplastic.com you can signup for their prepaid card. This card gives you the oppurtunity to accept payments via western union and moneygram at a reduced rate of $4.95 / transaction. It also allows you to send a wire transfer to and from a bank account and any visa/mastercard teller or atm.
PayPal more than likely froze the account for a TOS violation regarding the use of the PayPal account for other purposes besides to make purchases on EBay. According to the TOS this is the only thing PayPal may be used for. On top of that it was also probably frozen days after the transaction occured to withdraw funds from the account. This action would have triggered a flag and they would have stopped the payment until further information was given to PayPal such as a FAXED copy of your ID, utility bill, phone bill, social security card, and many other means of proving who you are and showing a supplier list for the products that were sold. In this case they could not do that and the funds would be frozen for a minimum of three months. At which time their account can be deleted and the funds will then return to the senders or PayPal will take them like they useually do.
PayPal is not under any obligation since they are not FDIC insured to return the money you deposit with them.
To the person that stated you need to be incorporated to have an EIN... That is completely false. I have several EIN's and operate Sole Propietorship's, Non-Profit Association's, an LLP and 3 501c3 organizations. None of these are Incorporated and all have separate EIN's.
Also it does not take 10 days to setup a business paypal account. I setup many before I got tired of losing money to them and took my business elsewhere. After which time I finally recovered the money they stole from me and never when back. Anyway it takes maybe 3 days. That is tops because while you are waiting for them to send verification to your bank you can be sending in your other information they require.
This will be one long battle before anyone recieves their money back and I feel sorry for anyone the contributed. Next time use moneybookers or one of the digital gold currencies avalible. Also if you go to: http://www.wiredplastic.com you can signup for their prepaid card. This card gives you the oppurtunity to accept payments via western union and moneygram at a reduced rate of $4.95 / transaction. It also allows you to send a wire transfer to and from a bank account and any visa/mastercard teller or atm.
Which means that they wouldn't have had enough in the account to transfer 3-4 days ago. Did they have something set up where they didn't have to abide by that rule? This could be that someone overlooked it; just speculating. We'll know more later.
It seems as though from the news report is that the $2000.00 they already paid is all that is required right now and the SOS is willing to work them through it. It was suppose to be a wire transfer to it would not have taken 3-4 days. It would have taken at most 1-2.
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Paypal is nothing but a crook company. If you haven't been affected by them yet, hang in there you will be. They freeze account on regular basis, it's a way for them to make money. They can even freeze your account after YEARS of using them.
They are a private organization pretending to be a online bank, they are not regulated by anyone, and have no one to hold them accountable.
Exactly like the Fed, which we all know all love.
They have stolen from thousands, and thousands of people, and have to this day class action lawsuits against them for fraud, and theft. It's a regular practice for them to freeze accounts, and never give the money back.
I never use them, and never will.
http://www.paypalwarning.com/
They are a private organization pretending to be a online bank, they are not regulated by anyone, and have no one to hold them accountable.
Exactly like the Fed, which we all know all love.
They have stolen from thousands, and thousands of people, and have to this day class action lawsuits against them for fraud, and theft. It's a regular practice for them to freeze accounts, and never give the money back.
I never use them, and never will.
http://www.paypalwarning.com/
I second that opinion. This is a load of shit. Transfer takes longer anyway..If they had the funds a benefactor steps in and pays...
You can not free fools from the chains they revere- Voltaire.
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LOL, this is VERY COMMON.
Paypal has often frozen accounts, and tried to steal the funds. Look up paypal sucks on google.
Paypal has often frozen accounts, and tried to steal the funds. Look up paypal sucks on google.
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