Confirmed: PayPal sabotages New Hampshire vote recount

You can't refund money out of a frozen account. Paypal could keep the money for six months, or forever. They've been known to do worse. According to one of the anti-paypal websites out there, they've done this to at least 7% of their customers.

I'm very careful in my use of Paypal. They froze my account in 2001 over a $20 transaction... The seller, unbeknownst to me, was involved in some sort of shady deal and got his account frozen. He wanted to refund my $20 and paypal wouldn't let him, so I did a chargeback, then Paypal froze *my* account!
 
Marc3579 said:
Wow they didn't deliver? A lot of finger pointing towards them, it seems like no one here has ever made a mistake or over-looked the fine print...
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marc, they made a mistake, which might have cost RP the election, and cost supporters a good deal of cash that they could have donated in the bomb.
who else is to blame huh? no one else had access to the funds.... so it is pretty damn obvious.
 
Cali4RonPaul said:
I actually think they should refund that money, if you solicit donations for a given purpose and fail to deliver on that purpose the funds will need to be returned unless permitted to keep.

Quite Frankly the Granny Warriors might be super swell ladies with their hearts in the right place.. but that does not make them competent to withhold finances and allocate them to a given purpose.

Some supporter groups are tried and tested others are not.. RonPaulBlimp Can deliver, Operation Call for Paul can deliver. Granny Warriors could not. Give the money back to the people its their money.
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They stated up front that they would refund anyone if the recount doesn't get done. I agree with you. Refunds or voluntary contribution to future efforts, only.


BTW, to all - I couldn't get over the irony of PayPal and the "red flag" of large transfers. We are, afterall, the Ron Paul Revolution and we HATE banksters. They pull this shit all the time - be it for our "security", the war on drugs (we might be money laundering drug lords), the PATRIOT Act, or any other of the myriad BOGUS reasons that anyone manipulates, withholds and tracks our financial transactions. I HATE PAYPAL. When I was eBaying, and looked at their terms, I said NO WAY. PayPal is another intrusive insitution who violates privacy and abuses clients.

You KNOW what to do.
 
Instead of playing the BLAME GAME... let's come up with SOLUTIONS.

(1) First, it is by no means certain that we won't get a recount.

(2) Worst case scenario, I would prefer they held on to my money in case we need a recount elsewhere. However, I'd also like them to BE PREPARED and ABLE to present a check when necessary.

I certainly don't blame them, but I am surprised nobody was able to present a check by the deadline. Does Ron Paul have no supporters wealthy enough to offer $65K?

(I'm flate broke. :( )
 
UK4Paul said:
Instead of playing the BLAME GAME... let's come up with SOLUTIONS.

(1) First, it is by no means certain that we won't get a recount.

(2) Worst case scenario, I would prefer they held on to my money in case we need a recount elsewhere. However, I'd also like them to BE PREPARED and ABLE to present a check when necessary.

I certainly don't blame them, but I am surprised nobody was able to present a check by the deadline. Does Ron Paul have no supporters wealthy enough to offer $65K?

(I'm flate broke. :( )
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Not everyone was on board with a recount. NH was the first primary, afterall, and I don't think a lot of people wanted to jump right in yelling fraud. The obvious fraud is in the Clinton/Obama race. Kucinich will have to uncover it.


Remember, recounts are dealing with GOVERNMENT. All rules and fees vary, and many of them are uncertain. I guess this is a learn as you go deal. I'll bet the NH SOS had to look up the rules & regs.
 
"I am in Michigan and I need to find a lawyer to sue Paypal. Any advice would be appreicated. I recieved an out of the blue notice last week that paypal was closing my account - not sure why -gold power seller 3000+ positive feedback, and were freezing $7600.00 I have in my money market for 180 days. I am a single mother of two going through a divorce which involves domestic violence and now all of my money is gone. I need help!"

Paypal=badddddddd
 
tyler477 said:
finally someone who knows who to blame, rather than a bunch of flamers who blame PAYPAL who did nothing wrong.
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They screwed me nearly the same way! I bought a bunch of halo 3's with cash and they froze my account with $1600 in it. Their reason was that I didn't have "proof of stock", even though I supplied them with a tracking number for every game. Customer service got me nowhere and I'm forced to wait 6 months to find out how I can recover my money, all because I didn't have a recipient from a cash purchase. Meanwhile Paypal is collecting interest off my money, and has taken their percentage from my sales.
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lol
 
UK4Paul said:
Hi Cindy

On a separate thread, I've proposed that the Granny Warriors keep the money, in case a recount is needed elsewhere.

The recount is going ahead on the Democrats side though for sure.
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I think anyone who wants a refund should be able to get one and the grannies said they would do it. The concern is what will paypal do with the freeze status and for how long.

Of course anyone who wants them to keep a fund for a future recount need should let them know that.

Not sure how a recount is going to help Dennis anyway. My understanding is that Hillary bussed in non residents around the clock, who only had to sign afidavits swearing that they became residents of the state that day.
 
nbhadja said:
"I am in Michigan and I need to find a lawyer to sue Paypal. Any advice would be appreicated. I recieved an out of the blue notice last week that paypal was closing my account - not sure why -gold power seller 3000+ positive feedback, and were freezing $7600.00 I have in my money market for 180 days. I am a single mother of two going through a divorce which involves domestic violence and now all of my money is gone. I need help!"

Paypal=badddddddd
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These stories have been around for years. PayPal is a criminal racket, imo. A bankster hybrid.
 
Cindy said:
I think anyone who wants a refund should be able to get one and the grannies said they would do it. The concern is what will paypal do with the freeze status and for how long.

Of course anyone who wants them to keep a fund for a future recount need should let them know that.

Not sure how a recount is going to help Dennis anyway. My understanding is that Hillary bussed in non residents around the clock, who only had to sign afidavits swearing that they became residents of the state that day.
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Dennis didn't do it for his results. He made that clear. He did it to uncover vote fraud.
 
I have heard that they had someone who wanted to finance the $60,000 at the last minute when he heard that paypal froze the money, but the state secretery wouldn't accept it.

I've also heard that there is no law that says they have to pay it by any date, only that the person who asks for a recount must pay for the recount.

If they can't wait a day, then something is up and they obviously don't want a recount.
 
susano said:
Dennis didn't do it for his results. He made that clear. He did it to uncover vote fraud.
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Right and I think he is looking in the wrong place. Word on the street has it that the sort of vote fraud Hillary committed, was in the form of bussing in loads of non residents. They say the Hillary voter busses, were coming in for drop offs and pick ups to polling places every 7 minutes.

This would also explain why the Pollsters can not explain how they were so off with Hillarys numbers when polling likely NH voters.

A recount will not reveal that sort of fraud.
 
Did any of you consider that this whole grannywarriors may be a fraud?

Sort of like the "Roy Jones Jr." Ron Paul ad?

Be careful of who you trust with your money.
 
jupiter said:
Did any of you consider that this whole grannywarriors may be a fraud?

Sort of like the "Roy Jones Jr." Ron Paul ad?

Be careful of who you trust with your money.
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Woah partner... I suggest you rethink before you go accusing Granny Warriors of FRAUD... They are friends of Carol Paul, yeah their gonna commit fraud... Care to espouse more bs?
 
Cindy said:
Right and I think he is looking in the wrong place. Word on the street has it that the sort of vote fraud Hillary committed, was in the form of bussing in loads of non residents. They say the Hillary voter busses, were coming in for drop offs and pick ups to polling places every 7 minutes.

This would also explain why the Pollsters can not explain how they were so off with Hillarys numbers when polling likely NH voters.

A recount will not reveal that sort of fraud.
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I heard there lots of cars from Massachuesetts (sp!), as well. I don't know if the story about signing an affidavit saying that you'll move there is accurate. A caller to Rush Limbaugh claimed that, but I looked at the NH.gov site and the regs were more strict. The ditto head said it's still easy to committ fraud, so I don't know. To get to the bottom of that, you'd have to examine each voter! I do believe it's possible that fishy stuff will turn up with the machine counts. Proving anything is another matter. What's to prove with a memory card? Can those be examined? Then, they could be switched. What about the chain of custody with the ballots?
 
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