Confessions of a drunk driver

bolil said:
A bunch of drunks at AA. SMFH. Full disclosure: I am done on this note, and will leave ignorance to its uninformed way.
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I think you're missing my point.

I have nothing bad to say about AA one way or the other, far as I know, they do some good work.

My point is: that's what the poster I was responding to is projecting...that a "bunch of scary drunks can be seen at AA".

The implied point being that, if it wasn't for ultra harsh drunk driving laws and the boys in blue that bravely enforce them, mass chaos and carnage would ensue.
 
Jamesiv1 said:
lol

yeah, I've been to a few. Probably 4 or 5 a week for the past 17 years. And I'm quite certain I'm not violating any of the traditions.
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Do you think alcohol should be outlawed? If not, where and when should you be allowed to consume it? Does the thought of someone having a second glass of wine with their dinner make you uncomfortable?
 
Carehn said:
It is a fact that more accidents happen when drivers are sober.
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I'd like to see a ref or three in some credible journals about that.

2 people I've known have died in head on collisions due to drunk drivers (not them). Granted, I was living in a mountainous area with lots of curvy roads. I was also working EMS right by a highway.

I seriously doubt your statement.

-t
 
Jamesiv1 said:
lol

yeah, I've been to a few. Probably 4 or 5 a week for the past 17 years. And I'm quite certain I'm not violating any of the traditions.
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Nah, you know, if you have one half of a mind you know. I don't really care, but it is what it is.

you know, hear here and all that. This does not belong here, and fuck me if I brought it here. End of it, mmmkay?
 
tangent4ronpaul said:
I'd like to see a ref or three in some credible journals about that.

2 people I've known have died in head on collisions due to drunk drivers (not them). Granted, I was living in a mountainous area with lots of curvy roads. I was also working EMS right by a highway.

I seriously doubt your statement.

-t
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I do not. Just the sheer number of sober drivers vs. drivers who have had a drink, or smoked, or what have you, would lead me to believe more accidents are attributed to them. (sober) Granted the good majority are probably fender benders.
 
tangent4ronpaul said:
I'd like to see a ref or three in some credible journals about that.

2 people I've known have died in head on collisions due to drunk drivers (not them). Granted, I was living in a mountainous area with lots of curvy roads. I was also working EMS right by a highway.

I seriously doubt your statement.

-t
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More than twice as many non-alcohol related accidents as alcohol related accidents.
http://padui.org/information/crash-facts/
Can't copypasta the graph, sorry.
 
tangent4ronpaul said:
I'd like to see a ref or three in some credible journals about that.

2 people I've known have died in head on collisions due to drunk drivers (not them). Granted, I was living in a mountainous area with lots of curvy roads. I was also working EMS right by a highway.

I seriously doubt your statement.

-t
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In 2011 there were 32,367 vehicle fatalities in the US.

In 2011 of those deaths, 9,878 were listed as alcohol being a factor (this is very loose and open ended defining factor btw).

Thus 22489 people died in accidents that were not alcohol related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/drunk-driving-statistics.html#DD
 
Wooden Indian said:
If I am stone cold sober, and run over someone's child, dog, or mailbox... I am responsible for my actions. If I had beer, and performed one of those actions, I am still responsible. No difference.

If I am sober and harm no one or nothing, there was no crime.
If had beer and harm no one or nothing, there was no crime.

How is this hard for a few Libertarians to grasp?
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Here is the crystallizing distinction:

The sober driver will instantly realize their error and stop at the scene to ensure that medical aid is on its way and wait to make a police report.

The intoxicated driver will either wake up, hung-over in their bed the next day, only to later find unexplainable damage to the front-end of their vehicle or will wake up hung-over in a jail cell, confused, wondering just what in the heck they are doing there.
 
Origanalist said:
Do you think alcohol should be outlawed? If not, where and when should you be allowed to consume it? Does the thought of someone having a second glass of wine with their dinner make you uncomfortable?
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Of course it shouldn't be outlawed. We tried that - didn't work. But trying to keep drunk people from getting behind the wheel is good, common sense. I bet the good Doctor would agree.

I haven't studied up on BAC limits, how they do it in Europe and what not... but making the punishment harsh enough to make one think twice before ordering one for the road? sure, I'm for it.
 
kcchiefs6465 said:
I do not. Just the sheer number of sober drivers vs. drivers who have had a drink, or smoked, or what have you, would lead me to believe more accidents are attributed to them. (sober) Granted the good majority are probably fender benders.
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heavenlyboy34 said:
More than twice as many non-alcohol related accidents as alcohol related accidents.
http://padui.org/information/crash-facts/
Can't copypasta the graph, sorry.
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TY and +rep to both of you!

I kind of had in the back of my mind semi drivers nodding off...

Still, percentage of ppl that have accidents if sober vs percentage of people that have accidents if drunk...

-t
 
Jamesiv1 said:
I bet the good Doctor would agree.
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I'm pretty sure he made himself clear:


Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset.

When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage.

America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government.

Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long. - Ron Paul
 
Jamesiv1 said:
Of course it shouldn't be outlawed. We tried that - didn't work. But trying to keep drunk people from getting behind the wheel is good, common sense. I bet the good Doctor would agree.

I haven't studied up on BAC limits, how they do it in Europe and what not... but making the punishment harsh enough to make one think twice before ordering one for the road? sure, I'm for it.
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Well, we are at .08

The FedCoats are moving to achieve global compliance and reduce it .05

But why would anybody be in favor of that?

It should be .00

Zero Tolerance.
 
Anti Federalist said:
In 2011 there were 32,367 vehicle fatalities in the US.

In 2011 of those deaths, 9,878 were listed as alcohol being a factor (this is very loose and open ended defining factor btw).

Thus 22489 people died in accidents that were not alcohol related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/drunk-driving-statistics.html#DD
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You must spread some rep around before giving it to AF again....

-t
 
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