Conceal Carry Permit constitutes probable cause for a search and seizure

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Gun owner unarmed, unwelcome in Maryland

HUDSON – John Filippidis, silver-haired family man, business owner, employer and taxpayer, is also licensed to carry a concealed firearm.

.....as the Filippidises packed for Christmas and a family wedding in Woodridge, N.J., so he left the pistol locked in the safe. The state of Florida might have codified his Second Amendment rights, but he knew he’d be passing through states where recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions affirming the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms have been met by hostile legislatures and local officials.

“I know the laws and I know the rules,” Filippidis says. There are, after all, ways gun owners can travel legally with firearms through hostile states. “But I just think it’s a better idea to leave it home.”

just barely out of the Fort McHenry Tunnel into Maryland, blissfully unarmed and minding their own business when they noticed they were being bird-dogged by an unmarked patrol car. It flanked them a while, then pulled ahead of them, then fell in behind them.



“Ten minutes he’s behind us,” John says. “We weren’t speeding. In fact, lots of other cars were whizzing past.”



“You know you have a police car behind you, you don’t speed, right?” Kally adds.



Says John, “We keep wondering, is he going to do something?”



Finally the patrol car’s emergency lights come on, and it’s almost a relief. Whatever was going on, they’d be able to get it over with now. The officer — from the Transportation Authority Police, as it turns out, Maryland’s version of the New York-New Jersey Port Authority — strolls up, does the license and registration bit, and returns to his car.



According to Kally and John (but not MTAP, which, pending investigation, could not comment), what happened next went like this:



Ten minutes later he’s back, and he wants John out of the Expedition.
Retreating to the space between the SUV and the unmarked car, the officer orders John to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”



“At home in my safe,” John answers.

Ninety minutes later, or maybe it was two hours — “It felt like forever,” Kally says — no weapon found and their possessions repacked, the episode ended ... with the officer writing out a warning.


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A warning for what? :confused:

I think I'll be sure to stay out of Maryland. :mad:

Exactly, a warning for what??

"I, Mr officer fuck face am warning you, Next time you have a CC make sure you have your gun with you so I can arrest you for legally having it"

 
Exactly, a warning for what??

"I, Mr officer fuck face am warning you, Next time you have a CC make sure you have your gun with you so I can arrest you for legally having it"



Exactly.

That is PRECISELY what the scumbag intended to do.

So , just like I suspected, the names of those who have CCW's go into a data base which can be accessed by scumbags nationwide.

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Around ten years ago when I was crossing the border into Canada, they saw my NRA sticker in my back window and decided my car needed to be searched. Since then I have removed that sticker and things have gone a bit smoother.
 
You neglected to copy and paste this part of the story.

Now he’s at the passenger’s window. “Your husband owns a gun,” he says. “Where is it?”

First Kally says, “I don’t know.” Retelling it later she says, “And that’s all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.”

The officer came back to John. “You’re a liar. You’re lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now.”

Of course, John couldn’t show him what didn’t exist, but Kally’s failure to corroborate John’s account, the officer would tell them later, was the probable cause that allowed him to summon backup — three marked cars joined the lineup along the I-95 shoulder — and empty the Expedition of riders, luggage, Christmas gifts, laundry bags; to pat down Kally and Yianni; to explore the engine compartment and probe inside door panels; and to separate and isolate the Filippidises in the back seats of the patrol cars.

Conflicting stories and the wife saying the gun may be in the car is probable cause to search.
 
You neglected to copy and paste this part of the story.



Conflicting stories and the wife saying the gun may be in the car is probable cause to search.

Bullshit.


HE ORDERED HIM OUT OF THE VEHICLE PRIOR TO SPEAKING TO THE WIFE:


Ten minutes later he’s back, and he wants John out of the Expedition. Retreating to the space between the SUV and the unmarked car, the officer orders John to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”


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A warning for what? :confused:
Exactly, a warning for what??

Aw-rite, you pansy-asses! That's just about enough outta you!
You don't get to ask questions! You answer them, maggots! See?
And you'll do it toot sweet, too, if you know what's good for you!
Now pipe down! Who the hell do you think you are, anyway?

Don't say you haven't been warned ...
 
Bullshit.


HE ORDERED HIM OUT OF THE VEHICLE PRIOR TO SPEAKING TO THE WIFE:


Ten minutes later he’s back, and he wants John out of the Expedition. Retreating to the space between the SUV and the unmarked car, the officer orders John to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. “You own a gun,” the officer says. “Where is it?”


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Asking him to step out of the car is not a search.

I can't imagine what the warning was for either.
 
Around ten years ago when I was crossing the border into Canada, they saw my NRA sticker in my back window and decided my car needed to be searched. Since then I have removed that sticker and things have gone a bit smoother.
I wonder if I mounted my Mensa sticker in my back car window, would they ask me tough questions? :D
 
Aw-rite, you pansy-asses! That's just about enough outta you!
You don't get to ask questions! You answer them, maggots! See?
And you'll do it toot sweet, too, if you know what's good for you!
Now pipe down! Who the hell do you think you are, anyway?

Don't say you haven't been warned ...


lol



"oh sorrry suuuh, Ill be's good from now on."
 
Asking him to step out of the car is not a search.

I can't imagine what the warning was for either.

HUH?

How the fuck does driving north on the turnpike with your wife and children provide the stormtrooper "probable cause" that a crime was being perpetrated and that the driver was armed?


... a "Terry stop" is a brief detention of a person by police[1] on reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity but short of probable cause to arrest.

"A traffic stop is, for practical purposes, a Terry stop;[10] for the duration of a stop, driver and passengers are “seized” within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment.[11] Under federal law, drivers[12] and passengers[13] may be ordered out of the vehicle without additional justification by the officer, although such practices might not be authorized under state law depending on the jurisdiction. Drivers[14] and passengers[15] may be searched for weapons upon reasonable suspicion they are armed and dangerous. If police reasonably suspect the driver or any of the occupants may be dangerous and that the vehicle may contain a weapon to which an occupant may gain access, police may perform a protective search of the passenger compartment.[16][17]

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Yah, fixed that for you.

Thought there wasn't supposed to be any databases of gun owners.

Thought license plate readers only held data for a few minutes.

LOL @ AmeriCunts.

Exactly, a warning for what??

"I, Mr officer fuck face am warning you, Next time you have a CC make sure you have your gun with you so I can arrest you for legally having it me and my asshole buddies can unload on you and kill you and your fucking maggot family."
 
Aw-rite, you pansy-asses! That's just about enough outta you!
You don't get to ask questions! You answer them, maggots! See?
And you'll do it toot sweet, too, if you know what's good for you!
Now pipe down! Who the hell do you think you are, anyway?

Don't say you haven't been warned ...

Fucking right Lou...

Maybe we'd better thump these maggots' heads for them, just so they get the message. - Officer Friendly.
 
Dizzy fucking broad...

First Kally says, “I don’t know.” Retelling it later she says, “And that’s all I should have said.” Instead, attempting to be helpful, she added, “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.”
Yeah, that's all you should have said.
 
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