CO2 emissions in US drop to 20-year low

[Natural Citizen]

Heaven and Hell: Carl Sagan on global warming

Is good where it needs to be. But beyond all of the natural elements of change pay particular attention to the slash and burn logic he discusses. Especially considering that we're moving ever closer to the entire subject of climate change becoming more of a matter of National security. Kind of the invisible terrorist that nobody can aim at. Place that also into perspective with all of the wild fires burning out west as well as the less discussed element of agri-business destroying Earth's own natural defenses as mentioned in the video. NASA should be expected to play some role in that looking forward beyond the recent language that simply warms folks up to the effect of instilling importance or desparation in the matter.

But anyhow and to make a longer story short before I start rambling Humans need to be scrutinized a little more thorough in all of this than simply the air that they breath.

 

[Travlyr]

Really?

Yes, really. It is important to read, and understand, the words.

You never said CAN you said DOES, but its good to see you're backing off.

I'm not backing off. It did, it can, and likely will happen again some day in the future.
Supervolcano.

Although there are only a handful of Quaternary supervolcanoes, supervolcanic eruptions typically cover huge areas with lava and volcanic ash and cause a long-lasting change to weather (such as the triggering of a small ice age) sufficient to threaten species with extinction.

What is the pollution? Ashes? Dust? Or some other gases?

Probably, but I don't know.

I don't doubt a volcano CAN outdo in a short period what humans do in a long period, but as the even was recorded, it was A YEAR.

It was actually about three years starting in 1815. The point is that natural causes are much more powerful than normal human activity. Sure, a man made nuclear holocaust, if it ever happens, perhaps, may be as devastating to the environment as a volcanic eruption, but everyday human activity itself is less damaging, by far, than the impact of solar activity and other natural causes.

Human contribution to climate change didn't and doesn't just go away.

I agree. That is why roads should be built for efficiency rather than control. That is why industrial hemp should be legal to grow. Humans should work with the environment rather than against it. We should be utilizing every environmentally friendly product that we can. Yet, to believe that humans have authority over the Earth's climate is really arrogant. The Earth will shake us off like a nasty flee, if necessary, and keep on spinning on its axis and orbiting the Sun without us.

Again I will ask you, how DOES volcano affect climate?

I don't know the science behind it. I have my suspicions, but the evidence is there for volcanic eruptions, natural disasters, and solar activity being the major contributers to the climate.

Choose your words carefully.

Why? You don't bother reading them.

You can't say volcano makes SO2, CO2, and then tell me that doesn't affect climate.

This is why you have to read the words carefully. I did not claim that CO2 does not affect the climate. I said that I do not believe the claim that CO2 is the cause of warming. I believe that, when the Earth warms up, then the oceans release more CO2 into the atmosphere, and as the Earth cools, the oceans absorb & hold more CO2 in the water.

If you want to say CO2 doesn't affect climate, then you have to explain how a volcano can outdo 100 years of human affect on climate.

Again, I never claimed that CO2 doesn't affect the climate. I claimed that a volcanic eruption did more to affect the climate in a very short period of time than the activity of 6 billion humans, and all their industries, do and have done in the last 100 years.

Where is the dirty air? No doubt, the air would be cleaner if people were allowed to grow industrial hemp and millions of people weren't idling their vehicles at red lights all the time, but even with all the stupid traffic control laws... the air is still clean enough to breathe today ... everyday, everyday, everyday of my life except for the week after Mt. Saint Helens blew up. That was dirty air... and I lived 1000 miles away from it.

Go ahead, keep talking, you just might trap yourself in a contradiction.

Probably. Those are teachable moments for sure.

 

[Nickels]

Probably, but I don't know.

I don't know the science behind it. I have my suspicions, but the evidence is there for volcanic eruptions, natural disasters, and solar activity being the major contributers to the climate.

?? No kidding, you don't know science. When pressed, you admit you don't know what you're talking about but just need to cram in a point hoping I'd let you go.

I did not claim that CO2 does not affect the climate. I said that I do not believe the claim that CO2 is the cause of warming. I believe that, when the Earth warms up, then the oceans release more CO2 into the atmosphere, and as the Earth cools, the oceans absorb & hold more CO2 in the water.

Again, I never claimed that CO2 doesn't affect the climate. I claimed that a volcanic eruption did more to affect the climate in a very short period of time than the activity of 6 billion humans, and all their industries, do and have done in the last 100 years.

Boy, read. The science is proven.

CO2 causes neither warming or cooling. CO2 levels follow climate change. Study some science.

Then why is the Earth currently in a cooling stage? Why was it in a cooling stage from 1940 to 1970?

Ok, so tell us. How else is climate changed or affected, if not by temperature? Humidity?

It's fun watching you switch your arguments
1) there is no warming, it's cooling!!
2) ok, there is warming, but it's not CO2
3) OK, it's CO2, but it's not humans, volcanoes do worse!
4) Ok, it's humans, but it's too late, we don't do enough to change it (oh wait, I just said we did)
5) Yeah, whatever man, hemp and freedom no matter what!

 

[Travlyr]

?? No kidding, you don't know science. When pressed, you admit you don't know what you're talking about but just need to cram in a point hoping I'd let you go.





Ok, so tell us. How else is climate changed or affected, if not by temperature? Humidity?

It's fun watching you switch your arguments
1) there is no warming, it's cooling!!
2) ok, there is warming, but it's not CO2
3) OK, it's CO2, but it's not humans, volcanoes do worse!
4) Ok, it's humans, but it's too late, we don't do enough to change it (oh wait, I just said we did)
5) Yeah, whatever man, hemp and freedom no matter what!

Your reading skills are horrible.

 

[ninepointfive]

My 2c:

Riding motorcycles, you go up hills and down valleys. close to dusk, you can really feel the cool air collecting in the valleys, while it's warmer up top.
Almost immediately after entering a city of a reasonable size, you will experience the urban heat island effect. It's very noticeable.

So if they are discarding data from rural locations, there is obviously some bias here. fraud.