CO2 emissions in US drop to 20-year low

This Bjorn Lomborg?
Bjorn Lomborg is associate professor of statistics in the Department of Political Science at the University of Aarhus, Denmark; his books have been "hugely influential in providing cover to politicians, climate-change deniers, and corporations that don't want any part of controls on greenhouse emissions".

I had not heard of him before. Exactly who is denying climate-change? The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. That is a good thing. My claim is that the human impact on the climate is minuscule compared to animals, plants, the ocean, solar activity, and other natural occurrences as proven by the near instant cooling during "the year without a summer" from solar activity at the time and volcanic activity.
 
This Bjorn Lomborg?


I had not heard of him before. Exactly who is denying climate-change? The climate has been changing since the beginning of time.

Yes, that guy.

Just like humans always been changing so evolution is true? Discourse doesn't work that way, if you don't agree on terms or know what people mean, there isn't an honest discussion. Nobody is accusing you of denying weather change or temperature change, but when people say climate change, they mean artificial change from normal and natural patterns. Do you deny it or not?

That is a good thing. My claim is that the human impact on the climate is minuscule compared to animals, plants, the ocean, solar activity, and other natural occurrences as proven by the near instant cooling during "the year without a summer" from solar activity at the time and volcanic activity.

and you're wrong.
 
Just like humans always been changing so evolution is true?
I've never made any such claim.

Discourse doesn't work that way, if you don't agree on terms or know what people mean, there isn't an honest discussion. Nobody is accusing you of denying weather change or temperature change, but when people say climate change, they mean artificial change from normal and natural patterns.
Then they should say artificial climate change.

Do you deny it or not?
No, I do not deny it. I claim human impact is minuscule compared to other natural causes. If it was truly a great problem, then honest scientists would be backing (leading the charge) known remedies such as designing roads for efficiency and legalizing industrial hemp... two known for certain environmentally friendly solutions.

and you're wrong.
About what? That solar & volcanic activity caused more climate change in one year than all of humankind has in the last 100?
 
About what? That solar & volcanic activity caused more climate change in one year than all of humankind has in the last 100?

Yes. That.

Not to say you can't one day have a super volcano to cause more climate change in a year than man has in multiple years, suddenly changes like the Year Without a Summer, but that's what it is, A YEAR. There are things we cannot predict, but will you ignore the things we can?
 
Yes. That.

Not to say you can't one day have a super volcano to cause more climate change in a year than man has in multiple years, suddenly changes like the Year Without a Summer, but that's what it is, A YEAR. There are things we cannot predict, but will you ignore the things we can?

Yeah, predictions are tough. What I find interesting is that the weather can't be accurately predicted a month in advance and even predicting weather one week in advance is often wrong, but somehow predicting climate change decades in advance is "science." They were wrong about that too.
The Coming Ice Age

I'm not ignoring anything. I am a strong advocate for designing efficient roads and legalizing hemp.
 
Yeah, predictions are tough. What I find interesting is that the weather can't be accurately predicted a month in advance and even predicting weather one week in advance is often wrong, but somehow predicting climate change decades in advance is "science."

So just because I can't predict the next 10 coin flips, I must be unable to predict the next million? It is precisely because climate is long term pattern that they are easier to predict than short terms. Wait, did you say we can't predict weather? Well, we ought to stop calling the 4 seasons what they are then.

They were wrong about that too.
The Coming Ice Age

I'm not ignoring anything. I am a strong advocate for designing efficient roads and legalizing hemp.

Yes, the ones who claimed there was going to be an ice age were wrong (so was the media who highlighted them), but they were neither representative nor the consensus at the time.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

This is your "problem", you only use the arguments that've already been answered. But to your credit, you did bring up one argument that I've not heard, and that is hemp.
 
I suspect that in 10 years, the "experts" will all be on board again with "The Coming Ice Age." The Earth has a pattern of warming, warming, warming over a long period of time and then rapid cooling. We may very well be near the end of the warming period. Nobody knows for sure... only time will tell.
 
Negative externalities happen...and IMO are one of the few justifications for government interference. The typical libertarian response to negative externalities it to just privative everything and emphasis the tort system. Not only has the tort system clearly demonstrated over the years how flawed it is...but privatizing everything (air/ground water/rivers) just is not practical.
I'm in Michigan and our great lakes are already hurt from zebra mussels which hitched a ride from bilge water. Now the asian carp are either at the doors, or depending on some tests are already in the great lakes. Because of the potential damage to shipping, locks or closing the Mississippi from being connected to the great lakes to stop the carp is taking forever. Personally I view the lack of inaction by the feds as caused by private companies, or political interests. If the army corps drags their heels long enough the carp will make it into the lake and then there is nothing for them to do with the rivers. But that scale of control should not be privatized and must be handled by a government entity.
 
Negative externalities happen...and IMO are one of the few justifications for government interference. The typical libertarian response to negative externalities it to just privative everything and emphasis the tort system. Not only has the tort system clearly demonstrated over the years how flawed it is...but privatizing everything (air/ground water/rivers) just is not practical.
I'm in Michigan and our great lakes are already hurt from zebra mussels which hitched a ride from bilge water. Now the asian carp are either at the doors, or depending on some tests are already in the great lakes. Because of the potential damage to shipping, locks or closing the Mississippi from being connected to the great lakes to stop the carp is taking forever. Personally I view the lack of inaction by the feds as caused by private companies, or political interests. If the army corps drags their heels long enough the carp will make it into the lake and then there is nothing for them to do with the rivers. But that scale of control should not be privatized and must be handled by a government entity.
 
So just because I can't predict the next 10 coin flips, I must be unable to predict the next million? It is precisely because climate is long term pattern that they are easier to predict than short terms.
Yes. We know that the Earth has a history of warming, warming, warming, and then cooling. It is very likely that that trend will continue.

Wait, did you say we can't predict weather? Well, we ought to stop calling the 4 seasons what they are then.
Personally, I do not wish to quit calling the 4 seasons winter, spring, summer, and autumn. Winter sports, spring planting, summer vacations, and autumn harvests are activities I always look forward to. However, some winters are warm and some are cold. Some April showers bring May flowers... some don't. Some summer thunderstorms bring rain and some don't. Some autumn harvests are wet and some are dry. So, no. Just because it is called winter doesn't mean it is going to be cold or wet.

It means that the Earth tilted on its axis in predictable intervals. Solstice & Equinox

Yes, the ones who claimed there was going to be an ice age were wrong (so was the media who highlighted them), but they were neither representative nor the consensus at the time.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm
They were not necessarily wrong... perhaps premature. Only time will tell.

This is your "problem", you only use the arguments that've already been answered.
From time to time, I have some problems but that is not one of them. "They" have not been answering arguments successfully.

But to your credit, you did bring up one argument that I've not heard, and that is hemp.
Just one? How about the fact that government has millions upon millions of vehicles sitting at red lights inefficiently, minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, year after year, decade after decade for no reason other than to control people and commit highway robbery to collect a paycheck if someone disobeys? "Traffic Control Signal Violation" ... doubled in perpetual "job creating 'work zones'" ... 10 tickets per day... $400 each ... $4000 revenue plus all the cash the cops can steal from the vehicle's occupants. Not a bad day's haul. $4000/day ... 365 days = $1,460,000.00/year ... that'll keep a police department going with Christmas bonuses for everyone... well not everyone... just the 'important' people.

Industrial hemp has so many Earth friendly advantages it is absolutely telling and completely batshit crazy for politicians to keep it illegal to grow and use. Yes, your politicians are batshit crazy ... or bought off.

Hemp grows without the need for chemical pesticides or insecticides. Hemp grows in such a manner as to be Earth friendly with root systems that bind the soil to prevent soil erosion and it replenishes the soil with nutrients as it grows and dies. Hemp fibers are long and strong. Hemp fibers used in concrete both strengthen concrete and increase the R-Value immensely. Hemp clothing is durable. Hemp plastics can be compostable or recyclable. Hemp competes with wood pulp paper, rain forest destruction, petroleum, cotton, plastics, corn & soybeans, steel, pharmaceuticals, body & fender repair shops, landfills, insurance, global warming researchers, and many other industries. That is why industrial hemp is illegal to grow and use. Our politicians, and their drug enforcement arms, are batshit crazy... or bought off.
 
From time to time, I have some problems but that is not one of them. "They" have not been answering arguments successfully.

WE have. Every argument you've brought up alleging either global warming isn't happening or that it's not caused by man, or that man's contribution is negligible, has been answered, you simply ignore them, and I am thankful I was able to point you to them, but I can't force you to read them.
 
They were not necessarily wrong... perhaps premature. Only time will tell.

No, they were wrong. They were wrong then based on the data they had then, and they are wrong based on the data we have now. With the information we have thus far, they are wrong. Premature is when you are vindicated after you made a conclusion without good support. But there was, and still is good support that they are wrong.

Miracles and catastrophes can happen, but until then, we rely on the data we have. Just because I don't know what year you will die, does not mean you'll die tomorrow equally as likely as you'll die 200 years from now. It is not "premature" to estimate you will live in total between 20-80 years. It is not "premature" to say you will live 200 years just because everybody varies.
 
However, some winters are warm and some are cold. Some April showers bring May flowers... some don't. Some summer thunderstorms bring rain and some don't. Some autumn harvests are wet and some are dry. So, no. Just because it is called winter doesn't mean it is going to be cold or wet.

But winter is never summer and summer is never winter (not until our earth tilts another way). What happened to WE CAN'T PREDICT WEATHER & temperature!?
 
But winter is never summer and summer is never winter (not until our earth tilts another way). What happened to WE CAN'T PREDICT WEATHER & temperature!?

You are a piece of work.

The point is... summer and winter are dependent on the axis & movement of Earth. Just like CO2... it has nothing to do with weather.
 
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Just one? How about the fact that government has millions upon millions of vehicles sitting at red lights inefficiently, minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, year after year, decade after decade for no reason other than to control people and commit highway robbery to collect a paycheck if someone disobeys? "Traffic Control Signal Violation" ... doubled in perpetual "job creating 'work zones'" ... 10 tickets per day... $400 each ... $4000 revenue plus all the cash the cops can steal from the vehicle's occupants. Not a bad day's haul. $4000/day ... 365 days = $1,460,000.00/year ... that'll keep a police department going with Christmas bonuses for everyone... well not everyone... just the 'important' people.

become a policeman if you're so jealous of their easy money. You think there's that many idiots that'll just hand you their money every day, go for it. I bet some will even bribe you to let them go, so you can pocket some of it too.
 
WE have. Every argument you've brought up alleging either global warming isn't happening or that it's not caused by man, or that man's contribution is negligible, has been answered, you simply ignore them, and I am thankful I was able to point you to them, but I can't force you to read them.

I do not care to read "junk science."
 
You are a piece of work.

The point is... summer and winter are dependent on the axis & movement of Earth. Just like CO2... it has nothing to do with weather.

So there's predictability....ok.

CO2 has to do with the weather, or else you wouldn't be bringing up volcanoes.
 
become a policeman if you're so jealous of their easy money. You think there's that many idiots that'll just hand you their money every day, go for it. I bet some will even bribe you to let them go, so you can pocket some of it too.

I am not jealous of their easy money. I am a victim of their 'easy money.' That's what sucks.
 
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