CNN reporter claims most OWS protesters are libertarians that support Ron Paul

[emr1028]

The reason we are here on "ronpaulforums.com" is to get Ron Paul elected.

What "movement" are you talking about?

The Occupy Wall Street "movement" which has nothing at all to do with Ron Paul except for the fact that it's so vague and poorly defined that it allows Ron Paul supporters to jump in there and say their thing?

Or the tea party, which Ron Paul founded and which sounds exactly like Ron Paul?

I am referring to a movement to overthrow the corporatocracy. It started on the right with Ron Paul. It had a brief stint with the tea party until the tea party was stolen from us into another arm of the corporatocracy. Now, the revolution has spread to the left, and it is spreading worldwide as well. These OWS people are not our enemy, they are our brothers in arms.

 

[parocks]

+ Rep

I understand the sentiment that those who are fearful of associating with OWS but I honestly believe that somebody who would reject Ron Paul based on some supporters at a rally would find a reason to reject him even if he took the Cain approach of chastising the OWS movement.

I would tend to think that most of us that have come to support Ron Paul did so by either taking the time to challenge our own long held personal views or from somebody else taking the time to have an intellectually honest discussion.

I came to support Ron Paul because I was looking for someone like Ron Paul. My personal views did not change one bit. I've known of Ron Paul for 10 years or more. A conspiracy theory guy I know (he's here) said Ron Paul was the only acceptable politician back 10 years ago.

I wonder if there are any 1988 supporters here? Anyone who used to get his newsletter?

Likely Republican Primary Voters have a limited number of choices. None of the candidates have perfect resumes. They all can be attacked. We don't want to do anything to make it really easy for the supporters of the other candidates to attack Ron Paul. Because over at Free Republic, they very much will like to spread any stories that attach Ron Paul to that awful bunch of leftist protesters.

 

[J_White]

great, so the media is spinning it negatively, just as we thought.
just focus on getting Republican voters for a Primary win. thats the most important thing right now.
OWS education mission can wait until RP gets the republican nomination !!

 

[parocks]

I am referring to a movement to overthrow the corporatocracy. It started on the right with Ron Paul. It had a brief stint with the tea party until the tea party was stolen from us into another arm of the corporatocracy. Now, the revolution has spread to the left, and it is spreading worldwide as well. These OWS people are not our enemy, they are our brothers in arms.

Ron Paul is not part of that movement. He doesn't talk about the "corporatocracy". He's a Traditional Conservative. Like Robert Taft. Back in the old days, the Democrats were the War Party. Even as recently as 1976, Bob Dole talked about Democrat Wars.

You sound like a Democrat. People who sound like Democrats sound awful to Republicans. The protesters want government redistribution. They want free stuff.
Ron Paul wants almost no federal government. Much of what the fedgov does is unconstitutional and Ron Paul would stop doing it. The protesters want more government, not less.

You might be confusing what you like, what you enjoy, with what Ron Paul stands for. I take it you enjoy protesting. Marching around, screaming. So you think other people should do that, and that it helps Ron Paul. It doesn't.

 

[gerryb]

Why don't you folks stop being afraid of OWS and get out there and join it?

Isn't it great we have so many folks supporting Ron Paul and libertarianism?

 

[emr1028]

great, so the media is spinning it negatively, just as we thought.
just focus on getting Republican voters for a Primary win. thats the most important thing right now.
OWS education mission can wait until RP gets the republican nomination !!

Our individual goals must be to do whatever we can to help the cause. If that means converting republicans, great. If that means educating democrats, great. If it means trying to extend olive branches and form coalitions of support, respect, and overall friendship between different ideological camps, then that is a worthy goal as well.

 

[Billay]

Yea thats why we told you idiots not to go there.

 

[emr1028]

Ron Paul is not part of that movement. He doesn't talk about the "corporatocracy". He's a Traditional Conservative. Like Robert Taft. Back in the old days, the Democrats were the War Party. Even as recently as 1976, Bob Dole talked about Democrat Wars.

You sound like a Democrat. People who sound like Democrats sound awful to Republicans. The protesters want government redistribution. They want free stuff.
Ron Paul wants almost no federal government. Much of what the fedgov does is unconstitutional and Ron Paul would stop doing it. The protesters want more government, not less.

You might be confusing what you like, what you enjoy, with what Ron Paul stands for. I take it you enjoy protesting. Marching around, screaming. So you think other people should do that, and that it helps Ron Paul. It doesn't.

I'm sorry that you feel this way. I was not protesting, actually. I was just talking to people. It's not hard to do. I was trying to be as friendly as I could and add as much of a positive vibe as I possibly could to the libertarian movement by discussing issues with people in the most honest and level headed ways that I could. And Ron Paul actually does talk about how our government has been taken over by corporations quite a bit.

>The protesters want government redistribution. They want free stuff.

This is an extremely close minded statement. The protesters are an extremely diverse bunch with very diverse ideologies. I saw libertarians. I saw socialists. I saw anarchists. I saw hippies. I saw businessmen. I saw labor union members. I saw doctors. I saw teachers. I saw the unemployed. I saw people who were pushing for direct democracy. I saw people who wanted to end the fed. I saw people that wanted to nationalize the fed. You name the frustration, there are people at these protests voicing them.

Many of these people do not want "free stuff." They want a functional government and a functional economy. We want the same thing. Don't demonize and marginalize a large group of people, especially if you haven't even taken the time to see what is happening for yourself.

 

[tribute_13]

This is funny, funny is a sad way, but funny. OWS was organized by an ACORN reincarnate, most of them are Obama supporters who have no idea what they want. So all of a sudden this is a Ron Paul movement? They are pulling out all the stops. Trying to pin an obvious Obama funded charade to use for his re-election on Ron Paul? Kills two birds with one stone. Obama is going to try to "hijack" the movement by saying he's going to wage war on corporatism, in the meantime GOP voters think its a Ron Paul movement. Awesome.

 

[parocks]

Oh bull. Things would be worse if the remaining non-voters all voted.

I am of the opinion that all groups - Ds, Rs, Is, Voters and non Voters alike are much stupider than me.

Non-voters are typically younger. The 18-29s, our people, are the non Voters.

I haven't seen any real stats on that, though.

There are at least as many 18-29s as 65+. But pollsters talk to 4x as many 65+s in their polls, because 65+ers are 4x as likely to vote.

The absolute stupidest though, are likely nonvoters. Voting takes a little bit of skill.

 

[parocks]

This is funny, funny is a sad way, but funny. OWS was organized by an ACORN reincarnate, most of them are Obama supporters who have no idea what they want. So all of a sudden this is a Ron Paul movement? They are pulling out all the stops. Trying to pin an obvious Obama funded charade to use for his re-election on Ron Paul? Kills two birds with one stone. Obama is going to try to "hijack" the movement by saying he's going to wage war on corporatism, in the meantime GOP voters think its a Ron Paul movement. Awesome.

And we've got Ron Paul supporters, right here, saying it's a good thing that they're there spreading the Ron Paul message to a bunch of socialists. It's not only "they" who are doing something wrong.

 

[emr1028]

And we've got Ron Paul supporters, right here, saying it's a good thing that they're there spreading the Ron Paul message to a bunch of socialists. It's not only "they" who are doing something wrong.

A bunch of people angry about the state of government and the economy and you'd prefer that we let them be indoctrinated by these ACORN groups instead of trying to educate them? This attitude is how movements isolate themselves.

 

[parocks]

I'm sorry that you feel this way. I was not protesting, actually. I was just talking to people. It's not hard to do. I was trying to be as friendly as I could and add as much of a positive vibe as I possibly could to the libertarian movement by discussing issues with people in the most honest and level headed ways that I could. And Ron Paul actually does talk about how our government has been taken over by corporations quite a bit.

>The protesters want government redistribution. They want free stuff.

This is an extremely close minded statement. The protesters are an extremely diverse bunch with very diverse ideologies. I saw libertarians. I saw socialists. I saw anarchists. I saw hippies. I saw businessmen. I saw labor union members. I saw doctors. I saw teachers. I saw the unemployed. I saw people who were pushing for direct democracy. I saw people who wanted to end the fed. I saw people that wanted to nationalize the fed. You name the frustration, there are people at these protests voicing them.

Many of these people do not want "free stuff." They want a functional government and a functional economy. We want the same thing. Don't demonize and marginalize a large group of people, especially if you haven't even taken the time to see what is happening for yourself.

We don't want the same things. We want Limited Constitutional Government. They want handouts. They're mad at bankers because they got more stuff than they do.
Keep the Ron Paul out of it. If you want to waste time and money on this, that's your business. I know it's fun for you. But Ron Paul doesn't benefit from this. You can go anywhere, talk to any group, and you will be more likely to find potential Ron Paul voters. Hanging out with the SEIU protesters makes Ron Paul look bad. That's what people are saying on this thread. And they're right.

Ron Paul is the one who does the persuading. Are you doing voter registration? We need these people to be registered Republican. Don't bother with the other things. There are TV commercials for that. Just get them registered, without any Ron Paul logoage.

 

[jkm1864]

Excuse Me!!! If wall street was down the road from my house I would be right there with them. Why would I be there with them. The reason why I would be there with them is because I see past the divide and conquer strategy thats spread on to demonize these people. I'm sure some of them are communists and some of them might be democrates but I can assure You a larger portion of these people are people whom are pissed off and hurting due to this economy. Hell I'm pissed off the government is destroying my job because the government refuses to release permits. Hell to keep from loosing my house I am probably going to have to work in Africa or China just so I can pay my bills....


So think before You talk or write because You are not in those people shoes and You don't know everyones story thats at the protest. I am willing to bet there are plenty of Ron Paul supporters there and I am willing to bank on that and if not then where else are You going to find a better place to recruit people?

 

[emr1028]

I've registered a few of my friends as republicans. I'm in school most of the time, and my school is in a very rural area. There is very little I can do from school. I wish I could do more.

>Ron Paul is the one who does the persuading.

Let's be realistic. The odds of RP winning the primary aren't pretty. As optimistic as some people on these forums are, we all know that this is true. We can't plan the future of libertarianism as if a Paul victory is a shoe-in. If we let the movement revolve entirely around Ron Paul, then we are failing the future generations of America. Ron Paul is not the only person in the world capable of educating people about the liberty movement. We are all capable of educating people. We don't need to win over every person, but we need to plant the seeds of liberty. When I stand up in front of a group of people that are mostly leftists who had probably never even heard of the Fed until very recently and give a speech railing against the Fed, and I'm met with applause and high-fives, you know what? That's a fucking victory. That's how you plant seeds. You don't plant the seeds of liberty by cowering in a corner because one particular protest is involved with groups and ideologies you don't fully agree with. You don't plant the seeds of liberty by writing people off because they disagree with you. You don't plant the seeds of liberty by assuming that everyone at a protest disagrees with you and cannot be educated. You don't plan the seeds of liberty by assuming that there are no registered republicans at these protests. You don't plan the seeds of liberty by being afraid to take chances.

The seeds of liberty are planted through education, not voter registration.

 

[parocks]

A bunch of people angry about the state of government and the economy and you'd prefer that we let them be indoctrinated by these ACORN groups instead of trying to educate them? This attitude is how movements isolate themselves.

Our movement is called the "tea party"

Occupy Wall Street is a Leftist movement.

They want entirely different things and appeal to vastly different groups.

Ron Paul is a Republican. If Ron Paul says something that pisses LRPV off, well that's just something we have to deal with. We shouldn't be pissing off LRPVs.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Excuse Me!!! If wall street was down the road from my house I would be right there with them. Why would I be there with them. The reason why I would be there with them is because I see past the divide and conquer strategy thats spread on to demonize these people. I'm sure some of them are communists and some of them might be democrates but I can assure You a larger portion of these people are people whom are pissed off and hurting due to this economy. Hell I'm pissed off the government is destroying my job because the government refuses to release permits. Hell to keep from loosing my house I am probably going to have to work in Africa or China just so I can pay my bills....


So think before You talk or write because You are not in those people shoes and You don't know everyones story thats at the protest. I am willing to bet there are plenty of Ron Paul supporters there and I am willing to bank on that and if not then where else are You going to find a better place to recruit people?

Most of these people want to change the constitution, are previous Obama supporters. Hell, they even took a poll on their own Occupy Wall Street facebook page and most of them voted Left-Wing. Most of them think America is a Democracy, when in-fact it's a Constitutional Republic. These people aren't in my best interest, but they DO fight some of the same things our movement fights against--Corporatism, End The Fed, Ending the Wars.

Teach as many of these people as you can, without supporting their movement. Bring them away from a movement created out of emotions and ignorance. Bring them into movements that can destroy the establishment from within. They keep shouting "99%" when they don't represent the "99%."

 

[JoshS]

They're socialists because they think this is capitalism, they think free markets got them 15 trillion in debt.

It's our duty to educate these people.

 

[kahless]

There is no balance in the media since they fear investigative reporting of the establishment. They need to have fear from us which would bring back some balance in the reporting. The only way to do this is to embarrass them with a direct protest that cannot be ignored.

 

[dbill27]

Most of these people want to change the constitution, are previous Obama supporters. Hell, they even took a poll on their own Occupy Wall Street facebook page and most of them voted Left-Wing. Most of them think America is a Democracy, when in-fact it's a Constitutional Republic. These people aren't in my best interest, but they DO fight some of the same things our movement fights against--Corporatism, End The Fed, Ending the Wars.

Teach as many of these people as you can, without supporting their movement. Bring them away from a movement created out of emotions and ignorance. Bring them into movements that can destroy the establishment from within. They keep shouting "99%" when they don't represent the "99%."

I keep hearing that ows is against corporatism but i don't believe that. I haven't seen a single sign or heard anyone bitching about solyndra? Since it's a group with lots of different people i can't label the entire group but i can say with a lot of confidence that 50% of them at least, are just there to hang out and have fun. Out of the other 50% I think probably 90% of them are brainwashed lefties