CNN poll: Rand Paul in 3rd among GOP presidential candidates with 13%

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Eh...nice poll.

5% of respondents supported a frothy mixture of ejaculate and fecal matter in this survey.

Dress it up in a nice suit and call it Mitt - worked well in '12, didn't it

 

[realtonygoodwin]

At this point, third place is right where we want to be. Let the two people in front of the polls beat each other up, and then make sure you are on top of the polls the day prior to the voting!

 

[KingNothing]

I said I wouldn't vote for him.

But will California vote for Rand Paul?

No, and California won't vote for Kucinich either.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Your idea of reform is what fails and fizzles out, your way of thinking is fossilized. You would rather us go the way of the Reform Party or some other fruitless 'outside' endeavor. Sorry, but we're much smarter these days. The evangelicals reformed the GOP in the 80's without the benefit of the internet. Taking a page out of their playbook we're not only going to imbue the GOP with our ideals, we're going to fundamentally change this country.

The evangelicals were the ones who got fossilized and neutered by the GOP statist establishment, and did not reform it. After 30 years, the score card on the issues they care about still says, abortion/legalized child killing/Roe v Wade not overturned, homosexual sin and other sexual immorality increasingly normalized, prayer (and even incidental mentions of God) still banned from schools, etc. Meanwhile their views on Israel have been warped and co-opted by neo-cons into a hyper-interventionist foreign policy they never intensely held prior to their attempt to "reform the Republican Party." As usual, the reformers got converted into the mold, instead of the reverse.

Readers belatedly reading this thread please note, how Bastiat, in subsequent rebuttal posts, keeps carefully omitting the legislative failure of the 'reform from within the GOP' approach, and only wants the issue discussed within the context of the electoral failure of the 3rd party side of the ledger. IAW, only one side gets to be held accountable for any losses. Just like the establishment wants it, as the alternative movement thinks it's 'winning' when it takes a few offices relying on the current system, meanwhile no aspect of policy changes, because the infrastructure of statism remains dominant. Until this short-sighted mindset changes, nothing else will change.

 

[krugminator]

What say you about Dennis Kucinich?

I wouldn't vote for him, but California might. Why wouldn't we at least go for liberals that are strong on civil liberties?

Gun to my head, I would vote for Lindsay Graham over Dennis Kucinich. As vile as Graham is, the biggest threat to the country is socialism and Kucinich is solidly socialist.

 

[limequat]

Gun to my head, I would vote for Lindsay Graham over Dennis Kucinich. As vile as Graham is, the biggest threat to the country is socialism and Kucinich is solidly socialist.

Wrong. The biggest danger to our country is Tyranny and it comes in all flavors: socialist, fascist, authoritarian, whatever.
Some of the greatest friends of liberty are socialist: Chomsky, Greenwald, Orwell, etc.

 

[willwash]

There is a pretty strong contrarian streak in a lot of libertarians. It's been ingrained into them for so long that whatever is mainstream is bad. As long as libertarianism has been "fringe" they've felt right at home. As our movement becomes more mainstream (IE, as we start to WIN), some of these guys will jump ship. Where to, who knows, but they are the type of people whi will not participate in anything meainstream.

These are the guys with bunkers out in the mountains and caches of guns and gold buried in secret locations. They won't be on the red carpet with Rand. Inevitably Rand will become "part of the problem" for these types.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Won't top them all. Always room to go up when you're not first.

 

[BlackTerrel]

There is a pretty strong contrarian streak in a lot of libertarians. It's been ingrained into them for so long that whatever is mainstream is bad. As long as libertarianism has been "fringe" they've felt right at home. As our movement becomes more mainstream (IE, as we start to WIN), some of these guys will jump ship. Where to, who knows, but they are the type of people whi will not participate in anything meainstream.

These are the guys with bunkers out in the mountains and caches of guns and gold buried in secret locations. They won't be on the red carpet with Rand. Inevitably Rand will become "part of the problem" for these types.

Yep. They don't want to be conformists.