CNN Poll of Polls: Clinton tops Trump by 10

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The post-convention polls are in, and they consistently show Hillary Clinton entering the next phase of the presidential election campaign with the upper hand over Donald Trump.

The CNN Poll of Polls incorporating the results of six major polls -- all conducted after the party conventions concluded in late July -- finds Clinton with an average of 49% support to Trump's 39%. When third party candidates Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are included, the margin remains the same, with both candidates losing the same amount of support to land at 45% for Clinton to 35% for Trump, with Johnson at 9% and Stein at 5%.

The new averages reflect a sharp increase in support for Clinton compared with pre-convention polls. The last CNN Poll of Polls, analyzing the results of five national, live-interviewer telephone polls conducted before the GOP convention began, found Clinton ahead 45% to 41%.

There was not enough polling in the short window between the end of the Republican convention and the beginning of the Democratic gathering for a Poll of Polls analysis to be conducted, but both live-interviewer telephone polls conducted in that time found Trump ahead by a small margin heading in to the Democratic convention.

But across nearly all polls released following the Democrats' nominating convention in Philadelphia, Clinton has regained a significant advantage.

The candidate holding a lead after both major party conventions are complete nearly always goes on to win the presidency in recent history. One exception was Al Gore in 2000, who held a 4-point lead in CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted after the completion of his convention. Gore, the sitting vice president at the time, went on to win the popular vote by about half a percentage point while losing to George W. Bush in the Electoral College.
 
They won't believe the polls until election day. Then, they'll say they don't believe the outcome. Then, they'll say it was because of the neocons and liberty folks.

It will NEVER be that they're supporting a fraud who never stood a chance.
 
All those polls are bullshit because they are not polling enough Trump supporters, or the Trump supporters they are polling are afraid to tell them they support Trump.
 
I'm not getting into unskewing polls, much as I like Trump. They are what they are, and as history as shown Ron Paul supporters, probably near accurate. The good news is it's still early, over 90 days until the election. Gore came out of the DNC in 2000 with a +10 bounce and barely tied/won the popular vote by November (but still lost due to electoral college). And that was with Nader carving off several percentage points from the Dems as well. So, it's not at all impossible that Hillary could lose significant ground in the next few months.
 
If I've learned anything from supporting Rand Paul this year, it's that presidential polls tend to be soul crushingly accurate and no amount of optimism or accusations of biased polls make a difference. Sorry for my bitter cynicism, I can't help myself.
 
If I've learned anything from supporting Rand Paul this year, it's that presidential polls tend to be soul crushingly accurate and no amount of optimism or accusations of biased polls make a difference. Sorry for my bitter cynicism, I can't help myself.

In the case of Rand Paul, we saw that inaccurate polls can drive the desired outcome.

Rand's team had a lot of people who had planned on voting for him until it came down to the last minute and they saw that his poll numbers were really low and they decided at the last minute to vote for someone else. The poll numbers were low because they weren't polling likely Republican voters, but the likely Republican voters who did want to vote for him were largely manipulated out of voting for him because they were made to think it was a wasted vote.
 
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When can we start calling the Trump vote a wasted vote?

The electoral college map favors the democrats, so Trump needs 55% or more of the popular vote to get elected. His unfavorable rating are over 60%, the media is blasting him relentlessly, and he's losing ground in the swing states. I'm not wishing for Clinton. The best outcome will be no candidates getting 270 electoral votes and the decision going to the house.
 
I think it will be impossible for Trump to win as long as the establishment is in control of the MSM and therefore control of his messaging. Ron Paul had a huge network online of people who would bypass the MSM bias, and even that in the end failed because the establishment filled the internet will schills but with Trump he just tells people to ignore the MSM cause they lie and people at the end of the day won't do that. Trump can't escape the MSM that created him, and it will be his undoing. His supporters already listen to everything the MSM says- thats what makes Trump so popular, they just don't understand that they are doing what they are told to do because they are so dumb.
 
I think it will be impossible for Trump to win as long as the establishment is in control of the MSM and therefore control of his messaging. Ron Paul had a huge network online of people who would bypass the MSM bias, but with Trump he just tells people to ignore the MSM cause they lie and people at the end of the day won't do that. Trump can't escape the MSM that created him, and it will be his undoing. His supporters already listen to everything the MSM says- thats what makes Trump so popular, they just don't understand that they are doing what they are told to do because they are so dumb.

6% of the population trusts the MSM.

More people on RPF trust the MSM than in the general population.
 
6% of the population trusts the MSM.

More people on RPF trust the MSM than in the general population.

Are you saying that if there was a terrorist attack on the news and it wasn't on the onion, only 6% of the population wouldn't question it?
 
If they can just squeeze out 3 or 4 more Nice or Orlando events before the election, or one big one, trump can clinch it.
 
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