CNN Just Spoke With Some Two Supposed Undecided Voters

[erowe1]

Yes, the AP of all sources. I'm sure Ron has to be aware considering he has been so prophetic:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...-on-verge-of-insolvency-why/question-2102991/

That specifically says just payroll taxes. I asked about all federal revenue, since the source of the revenue is irrelevant.

 

[KingNothing]

Well, that's a lie then. The entitlement system cannot be maintained on the account that those funds have been spent years ago. In fact, by 2017, withdrawals will exceed deposits into the system. So now Ron is promising something that he knows he cannot possible deliver? Is that pandering?

So he proposes that we phase in the structural changes over time. That is perfectly reasonable, and it can be achieved any number of ways - changing inflation indexing, increasing retirement age, decreasing benefits, etc. No matter how you slice it, the pain is lessened if you decrease money spent abroad and dump at least part of it into the domestic programs until the issues can be resolved.

 

[AuH20]

That specifically says just payroll taxes. I asked about all federal revenue, since the source of the revenue is irrelevant.

Right now the SSA states that it has 2.7 trillion dollars locked away, when you and I know it's nothing but IOUs. Where is Ron going to find 2.7 trillion dollars long-term in our budget? There is no salvaging S.S. unless you change the COLA formula and/or implement rigid means testing. Either way someone is going to get the short end of the stick.

 

[Crickett]

C'mon. Ron was almost insinuating that Mom and Pap Sanders were riding co-pilot when we were allegedly carpet bombing Iraq. He talks like a fool sometimes.

It seems to me you are the only one here who does not agree with the maxim :Know Thy Enemy. Ron QUOTED OBL to show why they fought us. He did not blame the American PEOPLE. One can tell you are probably still drinking fluoridated water. You do not even hear what he is saying.

 

[erowe1]

Right now the SSA states that it has 2.7 trillion dollars locked away, when you and I know it's nothing but IOUs. Where is Ron going to find 2.7 trillion dollars long-term in our budget? There is no salvaging S.S. unless you change the COLA formula and/or implement rigid means testing. Either way someone is going to get the short end of the stick.

The IOU's are irrelevant. The taxes that pay for SS are all taxes, not some special tax designated for SS.

He won't find 2.7 Trillion. Neither can anyone else. And he won't succeed at making any serious cuts in SS except for years down the road for younger people who opt out. Neither will anyone else. So philosophizing about those hypotheticals won't do much good.

What he could successfully accomplish immediately, though, and would easily have the political capital to pull off, is making deep cuts in military spending. These cuts won't balance the budget by themselves. But they'll accomplish more than what any other candidate on that stage will ever do.

 

[AuH20]

It seems to me you are the only one here who does not agree with the maxim :Know Thy Enemy. Ron QUOTED OBL to show why they fought us. He did not blame the American PEOPLE. One can tell you are probably still drinking fluoridated water. You do not even hear what he is saying.

Focus on the pronoun "We" taken from his debate comment below. Note, he didn't specify the U.S. military. And then he implies mass murder with the hundreds of thousands number, as if the US armed forces were intently focusing on population dense centers? This is irresponsible and revolting to say the least. then people act shocked when he can't break out of 10%?

PAUL: I didn’t say that. I’m trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing, at the same time we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years.

 

[erowe1]

Focus on the pronoun "We" taken from his debate comment below. Note, he didn't specify the U.S. military. And then he implies mass murder with the hundreds of thousand number. This is irresponsible to say the least? then people act shocked when he can't break out of 10%?

PAUL: I didn’t say that. I’m trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing, at the same time we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years.

I agree that it would be better if he didn't say "we." But nobody can honestly interpret it to mean the American people.

 

[AuH20]

I agree that it would be better if he didn't say "we." But nobody can honestly interpret it to mean the American people.

But this could have been avoided. Santorum baited him and Ron took the hook, line and sinker. You gotta be smart up there, especially if you're Ron Paul.

 

[erowe1]

But this could have been avoided. Santorum baited him and Ron took the hook, line and sinker. You gotta be smart up there, especially if you're Ron Paul.

Yeah, he could have said, "the politicians," or "Clinton," or something. But he's always said it this way. And it's always been disingenuous of people to pretend he's blaming the American people. Nobody who uses that argument against him honestly thinks it's valid.

 

[AuH20]

Yeah, he could have said, "the politicians," or "Clinton," or something. But he's always said it this way. And it's always been disingenuous of people to pretend he's blaming the American people. Nobody who uses that argument against him honestly thinks it's valid.

But that's how it is construed unfortunately. He has the worst message discipline I've seen of any candidate. He leaves so many open ended statements, that are eventually repackaged and turned against him. But like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[erowe1]

But that's how it is construed unfortunately.

But it's not plausible. People who support an interventionist foreign policy construe it that way, but that's because they really are implicated in the "we." People who don't support an interventionist policy don't get swayed by the interventionists saying that Ron Paul blames America, because it's a ridiculous interpretation.

Lines like those may get boos. But they don't result in fewer votes. In fact, enduring those boos is a necessary part of building this movement and moving the Overton window more toward where Ron Paul is.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

C'mon. Ron was almost insinuating that Mom and Pap Sanders were riding co-pilot when we were allegedly carpet bombing Iraq. He talks like a fool sometimes.

That's it. You're on ignore now. You should be banned.

 

[Give me liberty]

FreedomProsperity take it easy, and AuH20 Ron paul is and was correct about the iraq issue.

 

[Brett85]

Focus on the pronoun "We" taken from his debate comment below. Note, he didn't specify the U.S. military. And then he implies mass murder with the hundreds of thousands number, as if the US armed forces were intently focusing on population dense centers? This is irresponsible and revolting to say the least. then people act shocked when he can't break out of 10%?

PAUL: I didn’t say that. I’m trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing, at the same time we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years.

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure when we "killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis." Did we nuke Iraq and I just missed it?

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

FreedomProsperity take it easy, and AuH20 Ron paul is and was correct about the iraq issue.

It doesn't matter if he is correct or not. He has gone past the point of constructive criticism and now sounds like a troll. I question whether he's even a supporter. He sounds like a hater to me. His insults are hurting the spirit on this forum and shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Brett85]

It doesn't matter if he is correct or not. He has gone past the point of constructive criticism and now sounds like a troll. I question whether he's even a supporter. He sounds like a hater to me. His insults are hurting the spirit on this forum and shouldn't be allowed.

It's funny that someone who has barely over 1,000 posts calls someone with over 5,000 posts "a troll." Someone is not "a troll" if they simply want Ron to change the way that he presents the issues.

 

[eleganz]

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure when we "killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis." Did we nuke Iraq and I just missed it?

We did bomb them and hundreds of thousands DID DIE.

I don't get why we're Ron Pauls most committed supporters and we don't believe the things he says...

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

It's funny that someone who has barely over 1,000 posts calls someone with over 5,000 posts "a troll." Someone is not "a troll" if they simply want Ron to change the way that he presents the issues.

What does post count have to do with anything? This is day 2 of him spreading his poison across the forums. One or two posts with respectfully worded criticism is healthy, but not calling Dr. Paul a fool and the other over-the-top comments he's been making.

 

[Brett85]

We did bomb them and hundreds of thousands DID DIE.

I don't get why we're Ron Pauls most committed supporters and we don't believe the things he says...

I know that we've killed some, but where did the "hundreds of thousands" come from? We may have killed that many people by the sanctions that we placed on Iraq, but not on the bombings. It's important for Ron to be accurate in what he says.

 

[eleganz]

I know that we've killed some, but where did the "hundreds of thousands" come from? We may have killed that many people by the sanctions that we placed on Iraq, but not on the bombings. It's important for Ron to be accurate in what he says.

I can't find it right now but I did see figures yesterday and pre-9/11 bombings equaled to hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian iraqi deaths.

Mind you, this is NOT from sanctions, this is from bombings, sanctions killed several hundred thousand more.