Clinton vs. Trump A Dead Heat

[klamath]

Do you realize that whites have lost their majority in 4 states (including mine)? Within 20 years, it will be 30 states. Within 50 years, it will be the entire country. Their nation is being seized from them from under their feet. Their children and their grandchildren will not have a homeland.

Hispanics have the whole of South America and Latin America to work with, but now they're getting North America as well. The entire land mass is becoming homogeneous.

It's strange how people like you consider it noble and just to champion the rights of Hispanics and blacks, but when whites try to safeguard their heritage it's evil and racist.

HEIL TRUMP!

 

[klamath]

What about the LP, or CP? Do those here who reject both Trump and Hillary if the major party face off comes down to them, or keeps coming down to people like them, have ANY other suggestions for the future, that don't have Paul as a last name? If Rand's campaign fails, does this movement end for future cycles, if a Paul isn't running? Then how are we any better than the Perot movement was?

Rather than become (or resolve to be) a cult of personality, perhaps we should be farming for new national liberty candidates for the 2020 and beyond time frames who can overcome the obstacles Ron and Rand apparently could not? Say, Judge Napolitano, actor Kurt Russell, billionaire Peter Thiel, whomever? Is the more complete answer to be found in running a major celebrity, or our own billionaire, or something else? Or are we just afraid to name new possibilities?

For now, the fact remains, if Trump gets the Republican nomination, it will be strategically useful to us. If it happens, he will have broken the lock the establishment has over steering the major party primary system, broken the Koch/Adelson et al mega-donor coronation matrix, broken the major media's chokehold on dictating who the frontrunner is supposed to be and what (or how) issues are supposed to be discussed. He will have mapped out the grammar (minus his personality issues) for how to accomplish this, for future waves of REAL alternative candidates to follow. This will be valuable progress over the elite controlled system we have now.

After Trump either getting massively defeated or four years of the presidency there will be such a backlash against the Antiestablishment movement it will become a DIRTY word. NEVER AGAIN. If Trump is what the antiestablishment hands up as a solution they better forever run and hide.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

HEIL TRUMP!

Look here. The demographic changes we see in the US (and in Europe for that matter) are unprecedented. This is a rapid transformation, unlike any we've seen in the history of the world. It isn't happening in China. It isn't happening in India. It isn't happening in Africa. It isn't happening in South America. It's only happening in America and Europe. Don't you see what's going on here?

This isn't a mistake, it's a deliberate policy. A strategy on the part of liberal elements to import people with different values and cultural beliefs and smash up the old Christian right once and for all. Industrial scale population replacement with the final goal of demographic victory. They will achieve everything they've ever dreamed of with their newly imported voters.

People have the right to associate how they see fit. I have a right to live in a gated community. Just like the nation has the right to establish a border. Whites are trying to safeguard their nations from invading cultures, and they are berated as racist for doing so.

See what happens if millions of whites try to immigrate to India, or Zimbabwe, or Mexico. See what happens

 

[RDM]

Trump will gain a stronger coalition after he wins the nomination. 63% of Republicans support Trump, expect that to increase. He'll get all kinds of endorsements. As more terrorist attacks happen and horror stories about migrants trickle in, his support will spike.

I think anyone who predicts Hillary beating Trump is a fool. Trump is on another level.

I don't know about all that. Majority of Republicans despise George Soros.

Lawsuit Filed Against Convicted Felon George Soros & Donald Trump ~ Colluded In Multi $Billion Money Laundering/Bankruptcy Fraud.
http://www.truthcontrol.com/forum/l...ros-donald-trump-colluded-multi-billion-money

 

[klamath]

Look here. The demographic changes we see in the US (and in Europe for that matter) are unprecedented. This is a rapid transformation, unlike any we've seen in the history of the world. It isn't happening in China. It isn't happening in India. It isn't happening in Africa. It isn't happening in South America. It's only happening in America and Europe. Don't you see what's going on here?

This isn't a mistake, it's a deliberate policy. A strategy on the part of liberal elements to import people with different values and cultural beliefs and smash up the old Christian right once and for all. Industrial scale population replacement with the final goal of demographic victory. They will achieve everything they've ever dreamed of with their newly imported voters.

People have the right to associate how they see fit. I have a right to live in a gated community. Just like the nation has the right to establish a border. Whites are trying to safeguard their nations from invading cultures, and they are berated as racist for doing so.

See what happens if millions of whites try to immigrate to India, or Zimbabwe, or Mexico. See what happens

Hispanics ARE white.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Hispanics ARE white.

Nope, Hispanics are a mix between whites and natives. That's why there are some of them that look tall and slender and light skinned, almost European. And others that look small and dark.

 

[klamath]

Nope, Hispanics are a mix between whites and natives. That's why there are some of them that look tall and slender and light skinned, almost European. And others that look small and dark.

Oh I am sorry, you meant THIS WHITE!

The master race (German: die Herrenrasse, About this sound das Herrenvolk (help·info)) was a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic race—a branch of what in late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century taxonomy was called the Aryan race—represented an ideal and pure race. In Nazi ideology, the Nordic race was the purest example of the original racial stock of those who were then called the Proto-Aryans,[1] whom the Nazis believed to have prehistorically dwelt on the North German Plain and to have ultimately originated from the lost continent of Atlantis.[2] The Nazis declared that the Nordics (now referred to as the Germanic peoples), were the true Aryans (ethnically closest descendants of the Proto-Indo-Europeans) because they were much less racially mixed with peoples who were "non-native" to the European continent, than other Indo-European peoples, such as the Slavic peoples, the Romanic peoples, and the Indo-Iranian peoples. Based on this claim that the Nordic peoples were superior to all other races, the Nazis believed they were entitled to expand territorially.[3] This concept is known as Nordicism. The actual policy that was implemented by the Nazis resulted in the Aryan certificate, the one form of the official document that was required by the law for all citizens of the Reich was the "Lesser Aryan certificate" (Kleiner Ariernachweis) which could be obtained through an Ahnenpass which required the owner to trace their lineage through baptism or birth certificates or certified proof thereof that all grandparents were of "Aryan descent".

 

[The Gold Standard]

People have the right to associate how they see fit. I have a right to live in a gated community. Just like the nation has the right to establish a border.

A nation doesn't have rights. A person has rights.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Nope, Hispanics are a mix between whites and natives. That's why there are some of them that look tall and slender and light skinned, almost European. And others that look small and dark.

Hispanics or Latinos are actually nothing more than people from either Spanish Speaking or Latin America. It is a geographical construct, not a racial one. Americans mistakenly think of it as racial because the overwhelming majority of "Hispanic" immigrants to America have been Mexicans from the peasant class, and Mexicans from the peasant class tend to be Mestizo (mixture of Spanish and Indian) and the Dems and MSM have done their best to attempt to falsely suggest that all Hispanics are Mestizo. There are plenty of whites in Mexico among the Mexican elite such as the 6'4'' former President Vincente Fox or blue eyed, pale skinned Mexican American actress and former "Gilmore Girl" Alexis Bledel. Mexico's richest man, Carlos Slim, is 100% Arabic. Brazil has the largest black population outside of Africa. And I mean black, not "mixed". Brazil does have a large mixed population but in the North they have a massive pure black population. Rio is home to the largest concentration of Japanese immigrants outside Japan and Peru's former President was pure Asian. Countries like Argentina and Uruguay, as well as Brazil's southern states (home of white Brazilian Supermodels such as Gisele Bündchen, Caroline Trentini, Izabel Goulart, Raquel Zimmermann, Cintia Dicker, Alessandra Ambrosio, Isabelli Fontana, Anna Hickmann, Jeisa Chiminazzo, ect) are almost entirely made up of whites. Other countries such as Bolivia are mostly Mestizo with significant populations of pure Indians. Some countries like Brazil and Venezuela have significant black and mulatto populations. Others have virtually no blacks or mulattoes. The ethnic diversity of Latin America is not representative of the type of immigrants that happen to immigrate to the US in the largest numbers.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

After Trump either getting massively defeated or four years of the presidency there will be such a backlash against the Antiestablishment movement it will become a DIRTY word. NEVER AGAIN. If Trump is what the antiestablishment hands up as a solution they better forever run and hide.

Whether or not there will be a natural backlash against the anti-establishment movement (or more likely, a manufactured propaganda campaign waged against it by the elite, if they fail to co-opt it), there is a gap between the votes our national "Paul style" liberty candidates have been getting, and the votes we need to get, in order to WIN. There are possible voting blocs (some cultural right or Tea Party people, and now the anti-establishment faction) that can be engaged to fill the gap, but we have to lose the wholesale contemptuous attitude towards any group that's "not like we."

Those groups can read that contempt or non-engagement, and that's why they have not engaged Rand in return. The non-establishment voters are gettable, but they plainly want to see resolve in a candidate, and an establishment-confronting style. Adopting the dynamics and attitude (not just anti-establishment positions) of the most successful candidates in the current GOP race appears to be way to reach them, but Rand has not chosen to do so. Until our candidates warm up to them and confront the so-called mainstream, we'll build no coalitions. Until we run candidates who are the liberty voice of emotion or will, as well as reason, we’ll keep losing.

 

[Working Poor]

My question, are YOU trolling even trying to imply Trump is better the Clinton?

Do you actually think Hillary would be any better? The only good thing I can see about Trump being elected would be the numbers of people who might wake up. I can't see anything good about Hilary being elected because the asleep masses that would vote for her will remain asleep.

 

[klamath]

Whether or not there will be a natural backlash against the anti-establishment movement (or more likely, a manufactured propaganda campaign waged against it by the elite, if they fail to co-opt it), there is a gap between the votes our national "Paul style" liberty candidates have been getting, and the votes we need to get, in order to WIN. There are possible voting blocs (some cultural right or Tea Party people, and now the anti-establishment faction) that can be engaged to fill the gap, but we have to lose the wholesale contemptuous attitude towards any group that's "not like we."

Those groups can read that contempt or non-engagement, and that's why they have not engaged Rand in return. The non-establishment voters are gettable, but they plainly want to see resolve in a candidate, and a establishment-confronting style. Adopting the dynamics and attitude (not just anti-establishment positions) of the most successful candidates in the current GOP race appears to be way to do so, but Rand has not chosen to do so. Until our candidates warm up to them, we'll build no coalitions. Until we run candidates who are the liberty voice of emotion as well as reason, we’ll keep losing.

Flat out a Trump win will be a absolute disaster to American freedom. Trumps rise is a direct backlash to Obama's race baiting but it is doubling down to even more extreme racism than Obama's. The last thing the country needs is an insane backlash. The pendulum is going into sociological runaway and will rip loss from its mounts. You may think that is good but you will regret the day you thought so.

 

[klamath]

Do you actually think Hillary would be any better? The only good thing I can see about Trump being elected would be the numbers of people who might wake up. I can't see anything good about Hilary being elected because the asleep masses that would vote for her will remain asleep.

Either way it is a trainwreak for the country. The Trainwreck won't be on the republican name. It is a small hope but maybe in four years a dynamic sane republican can emerge which won't happen if there is an insane Republican in the WH.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Flat out a Trump win will be a absolute disaster to American freedom. Trumps raise is a direct backlash to Obama's race baiting but it is doubling down to even more extreme racism than Obama's. The last thing the country needs is an insane backlash. The pendulum is going into sociological runaway and will rip loss from its mounts. You may think that is good but you will regret the day you thought so.

And Carson's and Cruz's rise is also a backlash to Obarry's race baiting? You're fixated on the candidates, while I suggest focusing on the voters, and the common anti-establishment thread running between them. That trend is the center of what's going on, not race politics.

 

[tod evans]

And Carson's and Cruz's rise is also a backlash to Obarry's race baiting? You're fixated on the candidates, while I suggest focusing on the voters, and the common anti-establishment thread running between them. That trend is the center of what's going on, not race politics.

I'd like to hear Rand mimic Ron's position about shutting down alphabet agencies..

But I'm no political strategist......

 

[klamath]

And Carson's and Cruz's rise is also a backlash to Obarry's race baiting? You're fixated on the candidates, while I suggest focusing on the voters, and the common anti-establishment thread running between them. That trend is the center of what's going on, not race politics.

I agree it is not just race but also social backlash. I am literally sick of the antiestablishment thread. It has become the absolute catch phase for stupid human response. Antiestablishment does NOT automatically mean GOOD. Rubio was anti establishment. As long as Trump is leading the antiestablishment charge it is insane backlash to Obama's divisive reign. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

 

[juleswin]

All this arguing about a so called white nationalist candidate. It would have been one thing if he was actually a white nationalist who cared about white America or whatever. But he doesn't care about anyone but himself and he is doing all this to help his good friend Clinton which I am sure in turn will benefit him somehow. But he puts out these signals that appeal to these sort of voters and they are falling for it, but sadly, he is a Clinton agent working to destroy any chance the republicans have on ever winning the presidency.

He has done such a good job that I am very likely to vote against him this election cycle as opposed to writing someone in. Ofc, Clinton or Trump really makes no difference but my vote If for no other reason is to spite his idiot supporters.

 

[Jan2017]

Hitlery or bust.

Shillary would win an electoral count of 50 states the easiest vs. Trump I think . . .
if the GOPe falls for the getTromped 2016 campaign.



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[hells_unicorn]

I'm a bit late to this discussion about race and politics, but a few things should be pointed out, as I have sympathies for both DevilsAdvocate and Klamath on this particular issue.

1. DA is correct that America's European/White population is losing its majority status in several states. Part of this problem is mass migration of paupers and low-skilled workers who are voting out the people already living there, but the bigger part of the problem is the moral depravity and "modern" views of sex that most left-leaning and even centrist European Americans have adopted (which HAVE NOT been adopted by other races to any great degree, save certain black conclaves). If you want to be pissed off at somebody for screwing things up for the white race DevilsAdvocate, you should be pissed off at the man-hating commie feminists and birth control advocates who have been telling to not have more than 1 or 2 kids while people of other races, particularly Roman Catholic ones, are having anywhere from 5 to 8 kids a piece. If you look at where whites still tend to hold a majority in America, it's in places where white people still believe that Christianity is more than some stupid feel-good hippie religion.

2. Klamath's concerns about Trump are not unique to a few people concerned about some dubious things he has said on race, which have bordered on retarded in several instances. I know several moderate-leaning Republicans who are not crazy about the idea of Rand Paul being the nominee because they believe the bullshit they read in their preferred news outlet, but none of them have expressed a desire to openly vote for a Democrat over Rand, with Trump they would not only vote for the Dem, but actively campaign against Trump. Speaking for myself, if Trump was running against Clinton I'd assume vote 3rd party and wash my hands to this nonsense.

3. Trump has ZERO respect for the rights granted to both the states and the people of this country, and thinks he can basically run things like we're in a Banana Republic. The fact that we have people calling this guy some second/third best candidate for liberty next to Rand Paul is so asinine that I feel stupid trying to explain what's wrong with such a notion. People are supporting Trump 100% because he has said something that has validated something in them emotionally, that's it, there is no logic to it whatsoever.

4. The only point I really disagree with Klamath on is the notion of Hillary being better than Trump. The only way I could justify this viewpoint is that Trump would be a disaster for the Liberty Movement, both as a losing nominee, but even worse so if he was actually elected. Every idiotic thing that Trump would say or do would be on us because, right or wrong, we are seen as anti-establishment. This whole anti-establishment support for Trump phenomenon is 100% fiction, manufactured by the same media that is suppressing Rand and supporting both his counterfeit doppelganger Cruz, as well as his enemies in Rubio and Christie. When people tell me they are planning to support Trump because he's "anti-establishment", my initial reaction is I'm talking to somebody who is either a complete imbecile with no critical thinking skills, or some neurotic political extremists who is so pissed at "the system" that he knows exactly what a Trump presidency would lead to and think it would be cool to watch everybody suffer through it.