Clint Eastwood Endorsement?

[ItsTime]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/14/clint-eastwood-i-dont-give-a-fck-if-gays-marry/

Don't expect to see him marching in a Pride parade anytime soon, but gays may have found an unexpected ally in Oscar-winning director Clint Eastwood.

In the October issue of GQ magazine, Eastwood said that Republicans were making a big mistake by opposing same sex marriage.

"These people who are making a big deal out of gay marriage?" Eastwood opined. "I don't give a fuck about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We're making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of."

"They go on and on with all this bullshit about 'sanctity' -- don't give me that sanctity crap! Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want."

Although he is a registered Republican, Eastwood doesn't consider himself a conservative. He has supported California's former Democratic Gov. Gray Davis and Democratic Rep. Sam Farr.

"I was an Eisenhower Republican when I started out at 21, because he promised to get us out of the Korean War," he told GQ. "And over the years, I realized there was a Republican philosophy that I liked. And then they lost it. And libertarians had more of it. Because what I really believe is, let's spend a little more time leaving everybody alone."

 

[Brett85]

He's right on the war issue, but he should realize that "gay marriage" isn't libertarian. Instead, how about focusing on releasing people from prison who are there because of victimless crimes like drug use and prostitution?

 

[LibertyEsq]

He's right on the war issue, but he should realize that "gay marriage" isn't libertarian. Instead, how about focusing on releasing people from prison who are there because of victimless crimes like drug use and prostitution?

No need to burn a potential bridge. A Clint Eastwood endorsement would be sweet, if only to bring in the positive publicity

 

[LawnWake]

He's right on the war issue, but he should realize that "gay marriage" isn't libertarian. Instead, how about focusing on releasing people from prison who are there because of victimless crimes like drug use and prostitution?

How is gay marriage not a victimless crime (well, in places that forbid it, anyway)? Getting the government out of marriage and defining it is as libertarian as it gets.

 

[kojirodensetsu]

I think the most libertarian thing regarding marriage is to not have marriage licenses.

 

[LawnWake]

I think the most libertarian thing regarding marriage is to not have marriage licenses.

Uhh yeah, that's what I said?

 

[Voluntary Man]

Amen! I'd burn mine ... if my wife wouldn't take it personally. ;^)

I think the most libertarian thing regarding marriage is to not have marriage licenses.

 

[Voluntary Man]

that would make my day.

 

[Brett85]

How is gay marriage not a victimless crime (well, in places that forbid it, anyway)? Getting the government out of marriage and defining it is as libertarian as it gets.

Gays aren't getting thrown in jail for attempting to get married. It's not a criminal issue in any way. Gays have the right to do whatever they want to do in their own personal lives. But I don't have a problem with the government preserving certain traditions and customs in our country. Gays can still do whatever they want to do without fear of facing jail time.

 

[wizardwatson]

that would make my day.

aaaaawwww yeaaaaah....

 

[The Free Hornet]

Gays aren't getting thrown in jail for attempting to get married. It's not a criminal issue in any way. Gays have the right to do whatever they want to do in their own personal lives. But I don't have a problem with the government preserving certain traditions and customs in our country. Gays can still do whatever they want to do without fear of facing jail time.

Here is a list of things you would have trouble doing and staying out of jail if you took what the government has elected to grant:

Marriage Rights and Benefits

Tax Benefits

Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

Estate Planning Benefits

Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

Government Benefits

Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits

Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

Medical Benefits

Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

Death Benefits

Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
Making burial or other final arrangements.

Family Benefits

Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
Applying for joint foster care rights.
Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

Housing Benefits

Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

Consumer Benefits

Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

Other Legal Benefits and Protections

Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

What I don't like about neocons, are all the lies. It is different treatment for straight couples that have an option gay couples do not have. Now before you start with another lie about how gay men are allowed to get married... to a woman(!), you have to consider the illegality and legality of marriages of convenience.

U.S. Immigration (USCIS) can punish this with a $250,000 fine and five-year prison sentence.

Also, I am pretty sure if one were to falsify a marriage form by having Tony change his/her name to Toni and putting an "F" for sex, you would get thrown in jail. Even if that is how Tony/Toni felt. Stop with the lies. It is a different standard. You want to defend it, please do it with the truth.

 

[NathandWarren]

Of course NO Marriage licenses would be preferable.
No standing army would also be preferable.

But as long as we're going to have a standing army, it should be desegregated and not be the policeman of the world... just as as long as we have marriage licenses, two consenting adults should be able to decide what the word "marriage" means to them.

 

[Tarzan]

Good grief... yet another huge reach in the vain hopes of a celebrity endorsement.

It has about as much chance of happening as getting Rush Limbaugh's endorsement... RL takes took drugs... RL got in trouble for taking drugs... RP is in favor of decriminalizing drugs at the federal level... therefore, Limbaugh will endorse RP.

Maybe we should find better things to do with our time???

 

[Esoteric]

Gay marriage is libertarian. Get over it.

 

[samforpaul]

We should not be hijacking the term marriage for homosexuals.

 

[Voluntary Man]

depends on you're view of marriage. if you view it as a contract, go ahead, and involve the govt. if it's a covenant (my view), it's pretty absurd to involve Uncle Scam. besides, marriage licensing in America was pretty much started to regulate inter-racial marriage -- not the most noble genesis. then again, what has govt ever done that was.

Of course NO Marriage licenses would be preferable.
No standing army would also be preferable.

But as long as we're going to have a standing army, it should be desegregated and not be the policeman of the world... just as as long as we have marriage licenses, two consenting adults should be able to decide what the word "marriage" means to them.

 

[Kludge]

Gay marriage is libertarian. Get over it.

Gay marriage already exists, and as is, it's fine. What isn't libertarian is government endorsing and thereby degrading a religious ceremony. Think about it -- as is, people actually go pay the government so their religious ceremony is legalized. In the US, it's "weird" not to go tell the government about who you've committed to -- that's fucked up. It'd be silly for a libertarian to say MORE people should be expected to go get their ceremony legalized.


-- @ marriage benefits - most of those potential problems can be solved with a simple contract. The rest are simply problems with an invasive, over-reaching government which needs to be trimmed down - but that's no reason to continue expanding the number of people expected to go ask gov't for legal permission to marry their mate -- it's a reason to decrease the size and power of gov't, not increase it.

 

[MJU1983]

Well, let's start writing letters to people we want to endorse Dr. Paul.

I had this idea for Liberty-minded Representatives and Senators as well: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?314770-Grassroots-supporters-requesting-endorsements

Clint's mailing address for autographs is: http://www.fanmail.biz/2729.html

I assume if they got a bunch of letters from us urging his support for Ron Paul, someone will at least mention it to him. Worst case scenario is you get an autographed photo. lol

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

If there were a way to reach out to him, he sounds like he definitely would like Ron Paul. Whether he would give an actual endorsement, I don't know. He strikes me as the type who would just vote, not endorse.

 

[S.Shorland]

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