Climate Alarmists Are So Uneducated

[RPtotheWH]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996

 

[John F Kennedy III]

the amount of manmade co2 is tiny. there is no discussion about that. it's about 3% of the co2 circle.
but the point is that the rest is in balance. and those 3% are added on top of it and can't be consumed by nature and is accumulating in the atmosphere.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[vienna]

Do you have a source for this?

to keep it simple watch this video. with stephen schneider.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Schneider

 

[Origanalist]

to keep it simple watch this video. with stephen schneider.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Schneider

It's ok, make it a little harder. We'll struggle through it somehow.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

It's ok, make it a little harder. We'll struggle through it somehow.

I second this. We Ron Paul supporters tend to have a higher cognitive capacity than others.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I know this board is generally "anti global warming" "anti climate change":

Climate Alarmists Are So Uneducated

I challenge all of you "well educated" anti climate science folks to peruse through the past seven years of Jeff Master's Blog:

http://classic.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/archive.html

I'm really starting to enjoy how you insert impartiality to threads

I will check these out. I'm not giving any timetable though.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

in the end you just confirmed what was said initially. that the system is in balance.
so whether there is a time delay of releasing the co2 or not wont change the fundamental principal of the system.

When a plant ecosystem is in balance, it accumulates FAR more CO2 than it releases. Therefore, planting trees is the BEST option to curb CO2 levels; you understand this right?

 

[Travlyr]

When a plant ecosystem is in balance, it accumulates FAR more CO2 than it releases. Therefore, planting trees is the BEST option to curb CO2 levels; you understand this right?

And growing hemp is even a better option than growing trees because crops of industrial hemp will result in less need to harvest trees.

HEMP-TECHNOLOGIES
Hemp is the miracle plant of our time, breathing in 4x the carbon dioxide (CO2) of trees during it's quick 12-14 week growing cycle. Trees take 20 years to mature vs 4 months for Industrial Hemp! Our forests are being cut down 3x faster than they can grow! One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees!!! (Dewey & Merrill. Bulletin #404. U.S. Dept. of Age. 1916)

 

[vienna]

When a plant ecosystem is in balance, it accumulates FAR more CO2 than it releases. Therefore, planting trees is the BEST option to curb CO2 levels; you understand this right?

there are 833.8 billion tons of co2 emitted into the atmosphere every year.
and about 817.2 billion tons can be consumed by nature.

those are the facts. more plants can of course bind co2. but only up to a certain degree of course. because in the end they'll set it free again. as this is how nature works. whether this happens within 1 day or 20 years wont change the principle and the balance of that cylce. an ordinary plant or tree sets its carbon pretty immediatly free again.

and because there are constantly more people living on this planet and getting access to technology, machines, cars, ... the amount of co2 emitted into the atmosphere will increase. and here for example in europe there is not much space left for additional woodland.

but anyway, you can't cover the whole earth with woods to compansate our emissions of co2. it's just not practical.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Heh. Right on time...as usual. 303 hits as I post it. May have over a million or 3 in less than a month.



Somebody really ought to ask this guy to make a video highlighting Ron's famous words of motivation. He's the best video maker I've seen on youtube by far and reaches to a broader scope of perspective in everything he touches. Very talented. Plenty madness in this artists method. Way plenty...

Folks, there's a storm coming.

 

[Travlyr]

Fear Mongering. Now I'm scared.

Heh. Right on time...as usual. 303 hits as I post it. May have over a million or 3 in less than a month.



Somebody really ought to ask this guy to make a video highlighting Ron's famous words of motivation. He's the best video maker I've seen on youtube by far and reaches to a broader scope of perspective in everything he touches. Very talented. Plenty madness in this artists method. Way plenty...

Folks should wake up to the coming storm.

Experts. Now I'm not.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[Natural Citizen]

Nah. Forget about all of that. Have to remove that element of the discussion. Sure, Al puts himself out there but in retrospect that's the beauty of it. Two different generations here. Different textbooks entirely. So...folks who pick Al to harp on instead of giving the scenario itself a good once over will miss Change. Or remove themselves from it's process or the art thereof to be clear. I say let them. There's a bigger element less discussed.

There's a point in the middle where folks must agree to meet. It's there. Hopefully they know where to look.

 

[vienna]

Fear Mongering. Now I'm scared.



Experts. Now I'm not.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ&feature=player_embedded#!

those points discussed in this documentary have been discussed over and over again.
there's nothing mysterious about it.

 

[Travlyr]

those points discussed in this documentary have been discussed over and over again.
there's nothing mysterious about it.

Sure they have. There is nothing mysterious about it at all. The political angle promotes profits for the leaders of the environmental movement while independent scientists are studying the facts to learn the truth. I'm going with the independent scientific climate expert opinion until they are proven wrong.

If Al Gore was to walk the talk, then he would be more credible. But to claim that people must turn their thermostats down while he lives in virtual mansions with six fireplaces discredits him entirely.

By the way, did you any research on how actually greening the planet might help if there is actually a problem to begin with?

Hemp-Technologies

 

[vienna]

Sure they have. There is nothing mysterious about it at all. The political angle promotes profits for the leaders of the environmental movement while independent scientists are studying the facts to learn the truth. I'm going with the independent scientific climate expert opinion until they are proven wrong.

If Al Gore was to walk the talk, then he would be more credible. But to claim that people must turn their thermostats down while he lives in virtual mansions with six fireplaces discredits him entirely.

By the way, did you any research on how actually greening the planet might help if there is actually a problem to begin with?

Hemp-Technologies

people who use the term truth for themselves are usually wrong.
now ... is the max planck institute "indipendent"? do they have the "truth"? are they "climate experts" according to you? and do they get your approval?

 

[Travlyr]

people who use the term truth for themselves are usually wrong.
now ... is the max planck institute "indipendent"? do they have the "truth"? are they "climate experts" according to you? and do they get your approval?

For nearly 60 years the political side has been warning me about how bad I am for polluting the air and that I better change my ways. I awoke again this morning... guess what... clean air. After 60 years of observing their bullshit lies, I'm calling them out. Either we get dirty air by tomorrow morning or I say the climate alarmists in my lifetime are full of shit and propagandizing the world so that they can buy mansions.

Did you bother to look at how greening the planet might help?
Hemp-Technologies

 

[Danke]

 

[vienna]

what do you mean by dirty air? you can measure the pollution of the air.
guess what ... have you ever lived in a larger urban agglomeration. there you can actually see the dirty air.

anyway ... to me thats rather a cheap polemic than an argument.

here is the mean temperature of the last centuries...

and here you have the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere over time:

 

[Origanalist]

what do you mean by dirty air? you can measure the pollution of the air.
guess what ... have you ever lived in a larger urban agglomeration. there you can actually see the dirty air.

anyway ... to me thats rather a cheap polemic than an argument.

here is the mean temperature of the last centuries...

and here you have the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere over time:

Huh, they kinda look like a hockey stick.....

 

[Tpoints]

Huh, they kinda look like a hockey stick.....

depends on what part of it you are looking at.

There is zero dispute of the right end of the hockey stick, ZERO.

The only problem people had with Mann's graph was the lack of medieval warming, and his statistical method, the right end of warming was never an issue (because it was based on instrumentation and measurement, not proxy approximation)