Civil disobedience is the solution for this COVID-19 madness

[Anti Globalist]

Overthrowing corrupt governors and tar and feathering them is the solution imo.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Why do people want to spread a very contagious illness regardless of the mortality rate? Isn't this a drag on the economy and medical staff who have to deal with the spikes in hospitalizations?

At the current rate, the "official" narrative and responses we're being led to by the likes of Gates and Fauci are simply too draconian and don't make much sense. Am I purposely trying to infect myself or others? Nope. But, I'm also not going to cower in fear or go out of my way to wear the muzzle of shame.

Make no mistake, the masks are about domination at this point. It's all about muzzling the stray dogs. Watch the numerous videos of the public shaming going on over those without masks. It's about force and using that force on others to abide by what the "greater good" demand. And it's a complete turn off for many of us...

This is about eradicating the "rugged American individualism." Fauci has made remarks about this being a problem, recently. Perhaps a freudian slip, or not.

 

[Origanalist]

Okay I'm seeing reports of El Paso now having trouble with the hospitalization and fatality load. Are they just a shitty hospital or is this an outlier?

Or do I believe all these stories are staged theater?

If I happened to live in El Paso and drove to this hospital would I see total chaos? Or is this kind of thing apart of the public facing side of the hospital? I mean the morgue or morgue overflow is probably setup out of sight of the public.


Anyway the way it seems to me for now is mortality probably is going down for a variety of reasons. Maybe a significant amount of the most vulnerable have already died, but also over time our therapeutic treatments are getting better. I'm just concerned that high hospitalizations could overwhelm hospital capacity.

Also, I do not think all hospitals everywhere I like this. It seems to spike regionally while other locations maybe be fine or have low hospitalizations.

Links?

 

[Origanalist]

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[VIDEODROME]

At the current rate, the "official" narrative and responses we're being led to by the likes of Gates and Fauci are simply too draconian and don't make much sense. Am I purposely trying to infect myself or others? Nope. But, I'm also not going to cower in fear or go out of my way to wear the muzzle of shame.

Make no mistake, the masks are about domination at this point. It's all about muzzling the stray dogs. Watch the numerous videos of the public shaming going on over those without masks. It's about force and using that force on others to abide by what the "greater good" demand. And it's a complete turn off for many of us...

This is about eradicating the "rugged American individualism." Fauci has made remarks about this being a problem, recently. Perhaps a freudian slip, or not.

Well, I've had to wear PPE in my job and didn't feel I was being unreasonably controlled or muzzled or something by my company or the customer site. I guess I don't get why people are so mad about mask wearing.

I mean should I throw a fit and refuse to deliver when the customer requires me to wear extra gear which I don't think I even need? I'm a driver, why do I need a hardhat?

 

[Origanalist]

In a slightly different way, I probably do have some comments on even the previous cases of Flu. I have often thought it absurd how American work culture seems to want people showing up to work sick and spreading the sickness in the office only staying home once they have a high fever and/or throwing up. So yeah, maybe they should be home 'social distancing'.

My view depends on a lot of things though; the other side that we can't all be in hermetic isolation is also valid and hiding from germs probably has it's own consequences on the immune system.

Trying to come up with an analogy here, but we can consider Sunlight. To much you get sunburns or potentially skin cancer or even just look like you're aging prematurely, yet it's understood some Sunlight exposure is beneficial so avoiding Sunshine is also bad ( I think work culture is another issue here keeping so many indoors all the time. What if during Covid we're low on Vitamin D? )

it's not an all or nothing issue.

I have sometimes considered how other cultures respond to these things. Japan in particular has widely used masks for allergies, flu, and the common cold prior to Covid19. It looks like they are still experiencing a wide Covid19 infection case rate, but lower hospitalizations and deaths. I have wondered the masks are not 100% effective, but causing a lower viral load so they can more easily beat it. I think Japan also favors open air ventilation and less central air or heating ( I think this is the case in Germany to )

Anyway, to come back to the point, if masks or other measures were proposed for the Flu or especially a strenuous Flu epidemic straining hospital capacity regardless of the death rate, I would participate.

Still waiting on links about " straining hospital capacity". I took my mom to the hospital right after they ramped up the first time over this and it was a ghost town.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Links?

The El Paso Time:

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...tional-guard-provide-help-morgues/6365938002/

Texas National Guard to provide aid to El Paso morgues during COVID-19 crisis


The Texas National Guard will be providing help to El Paso morgues as the region continues to be slammed by COVID-19 deaths.

“After completing an assessment of the situation on the ground in El Paso County this week, the state has mobilized a team of 36 Texas National Guard personnel to provide mortuary affairs support beginning at 9 o’clock tomorrow (Saturday) morning,” Seth Christensen, spokesperson for the Texas Division of Emergency Management, said.

After the announcement El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego requested additional aid from Gov. Greg Abbott in the form of leeway to impose some restrictions to curb the spread of COVID-19.

Samaniego said in a letter to the governor's office that his previous order that was ended by an appellate court was done so erroneously and the order was not inconsistent with Abbott's statewide restrictions.

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And the story I'm hearing of a death rate getting difficult to manage bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for extra morgue space.




Now one issue with this video is it does not show signs of chaos or stressed out staff. It may be the way this story is covered just fails to get people concerned just watching some trucks backed up. It could be that inside the dock is concerned staff dealing with space issues and where to put bodies, but this video doesn't show overwhelmed nurse staff and piles of Covid bodies.

Possibly, journalists just can't realistically get in there without risk of infecting themselves and HIPAA privacy laws affect whether random video can be taken of hospital Covid wards.

 

[pcosmar]

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And the story I'm hearing of a death rate getting difficult to manage bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for extra morgue space.

Yeah,, they said that last time too..

and yet the TOTAL Death rate of the US has not gone up at all..(lower than previous years)

 

[pcosmar]

 

[Origanalist]

The El Paso Time:

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...tional-guard-provide-help-morgues/6365938002/

Texas National Guard to provide aid to El Paso morgues during COVID-19 crisis


The Texas National Guard will be providing help to El Paso morgues as the region continues to be slammed by COVID-19 deaths.

“After completing an assessment of the situation on the ground in El Paso County this week, the state has mobilized a team of 36 Texas National Guard personnel to provide mortuary affairs support beginning at 9 o’clock tomorrow (Saturday) morning,” Seth Christensen, spokesperson for the Texas Division of Emergency Management, said.

After the announcement El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego requested additional aid from Gov. Greg Abbott in the form of leeway to impose some restrictions to curb the spread of COVID-19.

Samaniego said in a letter to the governor's office that his previous order that was ended by an appellate court was done so erroneously and the order was not inconsistent with Abbott's statewide restrictions.

__________________________________________________ _________________________

And the story I'm hearing of a death rate getting difficult to manage bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for extra morgue space.




Now one issue with this video is it does not show signs of chaos or stressed out staff. It may be the way this story is covered just fails to get people concerned just watching some trucks backed up. It could be that inside the dock is concerned staff dealing with space issues and where to put bodies, but this video doesn't show overwhelmed nurse staff and piles of Covid bodies.

Possibly, journalists just can't realistically get in there without risk of infecting themselves and HIPAA privacy laws affect whether random video can be taken of hospital Covid wards.

Lol, I was in a hospital last time they ramped up like this as I previously stated. Turn off your tv and go to one of these places, you don't even have to go inside as I did. None of that shit is happening.

 

[CaptUSA]

Lol, I was in a hospital last time they ramped up like this as I previously stated. Turn off your tv and go to one of these places, you don't even have to go inside as I did. None of that shit is happening.

Right. I personally know many nurses who have been laid off around the country. Many of them took other jobs. Things have been slow in the field. (you know something is off when there's people in the medical field collecting unemployment during a pandemic.)

And even if it were real, well, we've had like 9 months to prepare for it. I mean, that was the whole reason for the two-week lock down in the first place. We wanted our health care system to be able to handle things. If there's a problem at any hospital at this point in the year, that's because there's a problem with the hospital administration - not because of the virus!

 

[Origanalist]

 

[Origanalist]

Right. I personally know many nurses who have been laid off around the country. Many of them took other jobs. Things have been slow in the field. (you know something is off when there's people in the medical field collecting unemployment during a pandemic.)

And even if it were real, well, we've had like 9 months to prepare for it. I mean, that was the whole reason for the two-week lock down in the first place. We wanted our health care system to be able to handle things. If there's a problem at any hospital at this point in the year, that's because there's a problem with the hospital administration - not because of the virus!

When health care is run by politics, FUBAR is the only correct descriptor.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Lol, I was in a hospital last time they ramped up like this as I previously stated. Turn off your tv and go to one of these places, you don't even have to go inside as I did. None of that $#@! is happening.

Well, I don't think these are scenes of constant chaos and if there is a ward of Covid19 patients, I doubt their accessible to the curious public walking by. So, I will say I do see a failure of reporting to convey what is happening. It's like the Covid19 ward exists in a big black box somewhere out of site so people don't believe it. We see trucks backing up and an interview with a doctor outside.

Also, I don't think these spikes are happening everywhere at once.

As for my area, I was at a medical center recently for a CT for unrelated issue recently. There is a Covid19 alert, but I didn't see a waiting room full of deathly ill Covid patients or anything. Does this mean it's not happening here or the Covid patients are away from the public area because they're contagious? They do have a helicopter so I don't know if they move the worst cases over to Mobile AL across the bay from where I live.

Oh well, I'm just a lay person here and the mask thing doesn't bother me if it slows the spread of this new virus. It seems like a thing where it's lethality is usually low, but I just wonder if the spikes come from the environment it's in such as high rise buildings or those outbreaks meat plants with people working shoulder to shoulder. I think if NYC and Houston and if this virus can hang around in high rise building elevators waiting to be filled up with people.


I'm also curious about how this plays out in other countries like Japan posted above. I think Germany also tends to favor window ventilation


WHY MANY PEOPLE IN GERMANY DON’T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING
https://lifeinduesseldorf.com/germa...'ve recently moved,list of things to consider.


I also heard South Africa managed to have a low death rate. It's harder to find info about what they use, but Google search seems to suggest they use individual units in the apartment more than central air.

https://portable-airconditioner.co.za/the-south-african-summer-air-conditioning-guide/

This one seems to have individual roof mounted A/C units for the individual apartments and not one big central air cooling system. ( My apartment happens to be designed this way and I'm glad )

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/home-cooling-options-air-conditioner-types-south-africa/


I guess what I'm getting at is I feel Covid19 can be very deadly under certain conditions including recirculating air in large buildings. Or maybe it's almost like a viral feedback loop if it's in a mostly contained system. So, I don't think the virus is super deadly everywhere, but I think certain situations contribute to making it much worse in isolated situations.

 

[pcosmar]

I guess what I'm getting at is I feel Covid19 can be very deadly under certain conditions including recirculating air in large buildings. Or maybe it's almost like a viral feedback loop if it's in a mostly contained system. So, I don't think the virus is super deadly everywhere, but I think certain situations contribute to making it much worse in isolated situations.

I think you believe too much utter Bull$hit.

The Virus is only deadly to people who are dying already of several things. The Aged and Compromised,,who get POOR treatment or WRONG Treatment..

And by local Obit Columns,, Most old folks are still dying at home or in Care centers(old folks homes),, and not in Hospitals AT ALL.

Oh,,and my 75 year old Wife,, was put into Bronchial pneumonia and was on Oxygen for a while. The rest of the house was only a minor Cold.

Wrong Medications Kill Patients.. Ventilators Kill Covid Patients..

Vit C, Vit D, zinc Saves Lives.

get past the Politicized Pseudoscience and it is nothing to fear.

 

[The Northbreather]

Why do people want to spread a very contagious illness regardless of the mortality rate? Isn't this a drag on the economy and medical staff who have to deal with the spikes in hospitalizations?

Nobody wants that. We will tell the truth and highlight the fact that all of the governments ideas for “control” of this respiratory cold have had no effect on transmission and have actually prolonged this thing.

Same spread mask mandate or none.

Same spread lockdown or none.

 

[The Northbreather]

Why do people want to spread a very contagious illness regardless of the mortality rate? Isn't this a drag on the economy and medical staff who have to deal with the spikes in hospitalizations?

Nobody wants that. We will tell the truth and highlight the fact that all of the governments ideas for “control” of this respiratory cold have had no effect on transmission and have actually prolonged this thing.

Same spread mask mandate or none.

Same spread lockdown or none.

 

[pcosmar]

Same spread mask mandate or none.

Same spread lockdown or none.

It is as if the masks are nothing but a Psychological Placebo for a minimal threat that has been artificially magnified.

or more simply..a psyop

 

[pcosmar]

 

[pcosmar]

Facebook link..and video.

We do not Consent

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