Circumstances similar to Ferguson

[tod evans]

Florida sheriff’s deputy shoots, kills woman after she grabs gun

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/1...ills-woman-after-grabs-gun/?intcmp=latestnews

A north Florida sheriff's deputy fatally shot a woman who had grabbed his stun gun during an altercation and pointed it at him.

The Citrus County Sheriff's Office says the shooting occurred early Monday morning at the entrance to a mobile home park in Inverness.

The deputy was responding to a disturbance call early Monday after someone called to report that 46-year-old Dawn Renee Cameron was trying to light her neighbor's truck on fire. According to an incident report, the deputy fired after she pointed the stun gun at him.

She was treated at the scene, then taken to a hospital where she died.

The deputy's name hasn't been released. He's on administrative leave, pending an investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.


Wrong age/sex and color.....

 

[staerker]

I look forward to the verdict on this...if someone points a stun gun at you, it is legal to take their life?

Good to know.

 

[sparebulb]

I'm sure that the officer feared for his life.

Magic words.


Next...

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The deputy was responding to a disturbance call early Monday after someone called to report that 46-year-old Dawn Renee Cameron was trying to light her neighbor's truck on fire.

Yeah, uh huh. Lighting it on fire. I'm not believing that unless I see a video with her, gasoline, and some matches. I once doused my roommates belongings in kerosene to ruin her stuff and she told the police I was intending to burn down her house. This woman who was shot probably poured Boone's Farm on the truck seat while dangling a cigarette ash from her mouth.

 

[maybemaybenot]

I look forward to the verdict on this...if someone points a stun gun at you, it is legal to take their life?

Good to know.

Yep, you sure can, it can kill you. It can really fuck with your heart. Frankly, I think I have the right to shoot someone in the face for scratching me, violent aggressors don't deserve to set the terms of the violence they start, my flawless skin is more important then their life. But legally, your life needs to be in danger, and a stun gun can kill you. And you could argue that after being tased, your life would be in more danger after that as well.

 

[morfeeis]

I disagree that this is similar to that of the Ferguson situation. the idea that he did grab the gun to inflect harm and not attempt to get an on the record liar to not shoot him for no reason is still up for debate.

 

[TheCount]

You have an awfully broad definition of similar.

 

[staerker]

Yep, you sure can, it can kill you. It can really fuck with your heart. Frankly, I think I have the right to shoot someone in the face for scratching me, violent aggressors don't deserve to set the terms of the violence they start, my flawless skin is more important then their life. But legally, your life needs to be in danger, and a stun gun can kill you. And you could argue that after being tased, your life would be in more danger after that as well.

Indeed. But my point was that, if the cop is not guilty, then they are admitting what they don't want to admit.

 

[navy-vet]

Apples to oranges....victim is a common mundane and not an oppressed minority.
Pretty much what Todd said.

 

[SeanTX]

Funny how when a mundane points a taser at a cop (if that did happen) it's considered "lethal force" being directed against the officer, and the officer can then use lethal force in return.

However, a cop can use a taser against you just as a torture device because you pissed him/her off, and then it's considered "less than lethal."

 

[navy-vet]

A cop can't afford for someone to incapacitate them with a taser or any thing else. I mean, here you lie knocked out or incapacitated while the person removes your weapon and blows your head off.

 

[sparebulb]

A cop can't afford for someone to incapacitate them with a taser or any thing else. I mean, here you lie knocked out or incapacitated while the person removes your weapon and blows your head off.

Can anyone now?

 

[brushfire]

Apples to oranges....victim is a common mundane and not an oppressed minority.
Pretty much what Todd said.

Well, apples and oranges in other aspects as well. The deputy was actually dispatched due to the woman trying to light the truck on fire. Rational people generally dont tend to light trucks on fire (then again, maybe there was an undocumented ebola case or something). Who knows what went down, but on its face, if one has got a sidearm and is threatened with a taser, its probably not unreasonable to shoot. If the deputy is taken out of commission due to the tasing, the woman may then have access to the sidearm. Then what?

Again, this isn't judgment, my argument is that this case looks a little different in a number of ways. I completely understand that there are evil police out there, lots of them, but I also believe in one's right to defend themselves. Even if its a cop...

I'm sure there are a sh!t load of details that will come out - my opinion is based on the limited detail in this article, and that opinion is subject to change as the real story begins to develop.

 

[Wooden Indian]

Not a LEO supporter but if someone points a taser at me, I'd likely fire my weapon on them. Don't see much wrong here unless I missed something.

 

[staerker]

Not a LEO supporter but if someone points a taser at me, I'd likely fire my weapon on them. Don't see much wrong here unless I missed something.

Would it be equally as moral if a cop pointed a taser at you, and you shot?

 

[Wooden Indian]

Absolutely

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You have an awfully broad definition of similar.

How so? I see a lot of similarity:

• Someone called the police for alleged criminal activity in both cases.
• Both the unidentified Florida deputy and Darren Wilson claimed the alleged perp grabbed for the officer's weapon, but there is no corroborating evidence in either case.
• Both officers went unidentified immediately after the event.
• I would assume that both officers claimed fear for their safety in using their firearm. There is practically no other claim they can make.
• Both stories of officer safety imperiled seem dubious in both cases. Corroborated eyewitness accounts suggest Brown had his hands up. The idea of lighting a truck on fire is possible, but I will bet it did not happen. I will also bet that the 46 year old woman did not grab a stun gun and point it at the deputy. Sounds more improbable than possible. Bad shit and lies stink just the same.
• Dead people tell no tales.

 

[idiom]

Not a LEO supporter but if someone points a taser at me, I'd likely fire my weapon on them. Don't see much wrong here unless I missed something.

What the hell people.

LEO's job is talk down armed and threatening people. They are peace officers not war officers. If they are good at their jobs they should be able to get through life with naught but a truncheon.

It is reasonable for you to shoot when threatened, you are not a professional. It is not reasonable for a cop to shoot first ever.

One of the large differences between America and most of the west is that getting on the wrong side of the law in the US is game over. Elsewhere you murder someone, in rage or accidentally, you get ~5-10 years and rehabilitated, so you are much more likely to turn yourself in. When you get out you are probably a better citizen than when you went in.

In the US just getting arrested and charged is quite possibly the end of your productive life. There is no motive or expectation to co-operate with law enforcement. There is an insane mentality of 'never gonna take me alive' because the system is so extreme.

 

[squarepusher]

I am against police killing citizens !

 

[acptulsa]

Apples to oranges....victim is a common mundane and not an oppressed minority.
Pretty much what Todd said.

Sexist!