I'm not a Christian, but I was thinking about a strategy to convert Christians (especially away from Huckabee) would be to explain how its not in the tradition of liberty to support a candidate that would legislate Christian morality along the lines of Huckabee or even Romney. Explain how that is what they do in the Muslim world and we call it Islamofascism. You can be Muslim without being an Islamofascist. So, therefore, you can also be Christian without be a Christofascist--without feeling like you need to have all of your Christian morals be federal or consitutitonal laws that apply to everybody just because you think God told you thats the way its supposed to be.
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I don't know if that would go over well with your intended audience...but if it works, great.
The problem is, it's easy for someone outside those two religions to compare the two on equal terms, but for someone who follows one of those religions, their side is right and the other is wrong.
The problem is, it's easy for someone outside those two religions to compare the two on equal terms, but for someone who follows one of those religions, their side is right and the other is wrong.
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That is really good. As I Christian myself, I think that is a good idea.
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That's the exact opposite of the evangelical agenda...
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I just don't think calling people names is a good way to win their support. It's the same reason I don't think we should be running around calling people "sheeple". But hey if you can actually get it to work well then yay.
Personally I think a better way of dealing with the christians is to try to convince them that Paul's beliefs fall more in line with how christians should be thinking. Things like how the bible clearly states "thou shalt not kill" yet Hucklebee seemed a-ok with killing prisoners. Also I'm sure God doesn't appreciate people using his name to try to get votes.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
Personally I think a better way of dealing with the christians is to try to convince them that Paul's beliefs fall more in line with how christians should be thinking. Things like how the bible clearly states "thou shalt not kill" yet Hucklebee seemed a-ok with killing prisoners. Also I'm sure God doesn't appreciate people using his name to try to get votes.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
Honestly I don't think that would work either, we should all know by now which of the major parties has a base that's against the death penalty. We're dealing with fascists here.
Rather, I should say that Huck should tone it down--he's goes out of his way to say "birth of Christ" "nation of Christ" just to make it seem like he's the only religious candidate.
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You know, trying to scheme against Christians isn't going to get you very far. If you are truly a Ron Paul supporter, then you want to give Christians their right to express themselves freely. . . even if that means shoving their opinions down your throat.
And, honestly, I don't see die hard Ron Paul supporters acting all that different than "die hard" Christians.
Passing out the slim jims is exactly like passing out tracts: it gives the readers an opportunity to wet their taste buds and ask more questions. It is also passed out with the intent to win the reader to your side.
Sign waving is exactly like churches advertising: get the name out, hoping that people will ask more questions and come to your side of the argument.
Ron Paul bumper stickers: not much different than Christian bumper stickers and just as dangerous. If you give the finger to someone, they will most likely not want to follow your leader.
Many people are scared to declare Ron Paul as "their candidate" because of his supporters and how "radical" they are. Many people have been turned off from Christianity because his followers come across as radical hypocrites.
I'm a conservative Christian. I don't believe the theory of evolution. I support Ron Paul. I see the parallels between campaigning and evangelicalism. It's really scary. I was given a Ron Paul bumper sticker a couple weeks ago and it's not on my car yet for the exact same reasons I don't use my car as a poster for my biblical belief system.
And, honestly, I don't see die hard Ron Paul supporters acting all that different than "die hard" Christians.
Passing out the slim jims is exactly like passing out tracts: it gives the readers an opportunity to wet their taste buds and ask more questions. It is also passed out with the intent to win the reader to your side.
Sign waving is exactly like churches advertising: get the name out, hoping that people will ask more questions and come to your side of the argument.
Ron Paul bumper stickers: not much different than Christian bumper stickers and just as dangerous. If you give the finger to someone, they will most likely not want to follow your leader.
Many people are scared to declare Ron Paul as "their candidate" because of his supporters and how "radical" they are. Many people have been turned off from Christianity because his followers come across as radical hypocrites.
I'm a conservative Christian. I don't believe the theory of evolution. I support Ron Paul. I see the parallels between campaigning and evangelicalism. It's really scary. I was given a Ron Paul bumper sticker a couple weeks ago and it's not on my car yet for the exact same reasons I don't use my car as a poster for my biblical belief system.
You're missing my point. I don't want POTUS to use his poltical power to "take the nation back for christ." The president is not supposed to be pastor-in-chief. Huck goes out of his way to use phrases like "birth of Christ" to imply that he will rule as a Christian soverign over a Christian nation.
My discussion points for dealing with Huckabee people:
1) Get them to say something about "islamofascism is bad"
2) Get them to agree that fascism is "putting the state before individual freedoms"
3) Point out that islamofascism "puts islam as more important than individual freedom"
4) Talk about how bad terrrrists are for a while.
5) Sucker punch them with christofascism is putting christianity over individual freedom, and ask them for their main reason for supporting huckabee.
If you can keep the conversation going that long, they will immediately get mad as hell and stomp off. Or they will hit you. But after they calm down, they'll probably realize you were right.
1) Get them to say something about "islamofascism is bad"
2) Get them to agree that fascism is "putting the state before individual freedoms"
3) Point out that islamofascism "puts islam as more important than individual freedom"
4) Talk about how bad terrrrists are for a while.
5) Sucker punch them with christofascism is putting christianity over individual freedom, and ask them for their main reason for supporting huckabee.
If you can keep the conversation going that long, they will immediately get mad as hell and stomp off. Or they will hit you. But after they calm down, they'll probably realize you were right.
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"I don't want POTUS to use his poltical power to 'take the nation back for christ.'"
Well, one thing that would need to be fixed is a Christian's eschatology and theology. If one believes that Christ is going to come back when things are "ready" for Him to come back, then there isn't going to be much you can do to thwart their voting decision. These sorts of Christians are going to be called pre-millenialists. I would bet money that Huckabee subscribes, in some fashion, the pre-millenial eschatology. So, he in all likelihood believes that as a follower of Christ it is neccessary to do his part to help bring forth the kingdom of God so that Christ will hurry up and get here. If he does indeed believe in this form of eschatology, then it would make sense that he would want to "take the nation back for Christ". In order to change this position of his, he would need to fix his eschatology. However, any Bible believing Christian wants Christ to return soon.
As a Christian, who is an amillenialist rather than a pre-millenialist, I do have to say at least he is sticking to his principles. I'm no Huckabee supporter, but I can at least understand where he is getting his "take the nation back for Christ" remark.
Only Christ can take the nation back for Himself. He does need to get here, but Scripture clearly states (several times) that nobody can know the day or the hour that He will return. Only the Father knows. The last thing we should do is think we can do something that only God can do. That's called blaspheme and Christians ought not to do such things.
Well, one thing that would need to be fixed is a Christian's eschatology and theology. If one believes that Christ is going to come back when things are "ready" for Him to come back, then there isn't going to be much you can do to thwart their voting decision. These sorts of Christians are going to be called pre-millenialists. I would bet money that Huckabee subscribes, in some fashion, the pre-millenial eschatology. So, he in all likelihood believes that as a follower of Christ it is neccessary to do his part to help bring forth the kingdom of God so that Christ will hurry up and get here. If he does indeed believe in this form of eschatology, then it would make sense that he would want to "take the nation back for Christ". In order to change this position of his, he would need to fix his eschatology. However, any Bible believing Christian wants Christ to return soon.
As a Christian, who is an amillenialist rather than a pre-millenialist, I do have to say at least he is sticking to his principles. I'm no Huckabee supporter, but I can at least understand where he is getting his "take the nation back for Christ" remark.
Only Christ can take the nation back for Himself. He does need to get here, but Scripture clearly states (several times) that nobody can know the day or the hour that He will return. Only the Father knows. The last thing we should do is think we can do something that only God can do. That's called blaspheme and Christians ought not to do such things.
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It's scary to me that instead of thinking about the economy, taxes, foreign policy, liberty, the Constitution, etc., Huckabee might spend his time in office trying to prepare the nation for the return of Christ. Creepy.
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