Christie not interested in making up with Rand Paul

[JCDenton0451]

Bacteria is not human life.

That said, trying to have a discussion/debate on abortion is a debate that nobody wins. I've never seen such a discussion where one side changes the opinion of anyone on the other. Either someone believes that life begins at conception or they don't. If they do, they will see the zygote/embryo/fetus/baby as a human life worth protecting; and if they don't, they won't.

You are in favor of gross restrictions on a freedom of individual, because of a belief that every zygote is worth protecting, even though it is not conscious, not self-aware, not intelligent, and doesn't feel anything. It's not a person...yet. It's a thing.

 

[JK/SEA]

You are in favor of gross restrictions on a freedom of individual, because of a belief that every zygote is worth protecting, even though it is not conscious, not self-aware, not intelligent, and doesn't feel anything. It's not a person...yet. It's a thing.

ok, so where is the compromise, because a 20 week abortion is murder.

 

[JCDenton0451]

Oh the horrors.

Where did you get this garbage drilled into your head at? Having kids is one of the greater things in life. Ask any mother here if she regrets any of it. I'm sick of this idea being pushed about how awful having children is. What utter nonsense, it is a beautiful thing.

I'm sure carrying your rapist's child isn't great. Social conservatives want to force a woman to do just that. This is barbaric. They are willing to trump over individual's freedom and dignity in the name of "morals". Nothing libertarian about that.

 

[matt0611]

I'm sure carrying your rapist's child isn't great. Social conservatives want to force a woman to do just that. This is barbaric. They are willing to trump over individual's freedom and dignity in the name of "morals". Nothing libertarian about that.

Killing the unborn child is even more barbaric if you ask me.

But even then you're focusing on a very very very small percentage of abortions. And the vast majority of pro-life people make exceptions to that anyway (even though I probably wouldn't).

 

[Origanalist]

Killing the unborn child is even more barbaric if you ask me.

But even then you're focusing on a very very very small percentage of abortions. And the vast majority of pro-life people make exceptions to that anyway (even though I probably wouldn't).

It's always the same talking points.

 

[Reece]

I've always thought of "libertarian" as a fairly open term. One issue doesn't change someone from being a libertarian to not a libertarian. Otherwise, there would be very, very few libertarians. Most people don't agree on every single issue.

Abortion has always been a topic that many libertarians disagreed on, anyway.

 

[alucard13mm]

You are in favor of gross restrictions on a freedom of individual, because of a belief that every zygote is worth protecting, even though it is not conscious, not self-aware, not intelligent, and doesn't feel anything. It's not a person...yet. It's a thing.

There is merit to that. First few days, it is just a blob of cells. I believe the progenietor cells for the beings nervous system does not form till days-a week after conception.

I believe ron accepts useof morning after pills within a few days of sex. Same premise that if it doesnt attach to uterus wall, it will fail to develop naturally.

It is a lose-lose battle. 49%vs51%. No side will win any time soon.

I think the one thing we can agree on is to stop using tax dollara to fund abortions or bomb brown kids.

 

[specsaregood]

I believe ron accepts useof morning after pills within a few days of sex. Same premise that if it doesnt attach to uterus wall, it will fail to develop naturally.

I don't think that is quite accurate. Ron believes life begins at conception; BUT said it would not be consistent to ban those devices as you cant scientifically prove that conception has occurred. I don't believe he actually "accepts" as in endorses their use.

 

[QuickZ06]

I other words, na-na na-na boo boo!

 

[FriedChicken]

There is zero political benefit to Rand Paul in calling himself "libertarian" and libertarian movement will be better off without him. Ron Paul did enough damage already by making social conservatism seem acceptable.

Is government control over home school and private school curriculum a libertarian idea? Just curious. Cause, like, I didn't think it was but ... you've argued in favor of it ... and are obviously the absolute definition of libertarian. So I'm just confused.

 

[FriedChicken]

I think the one thing we can agree on is to stop using tax dollars to fund abortions

I'm not sure JCDenton would actually agree with you on this. He might, I hope he does, but he surprises me quite often. He appears to be a person that believes in special exceptions for his pet peeves being enforced/funded by the government.

He is also an absolute authority on what being a libertarian is. Didn't you see him just school Ron Paul earlier? Wow!! That man is the Shizz!!!

 

[neoreactionary]

I'm not sure JCDenton would actually agree with you on this. He might, I hope he does, but he surprises me quite often. He appears to be a person that believes in special exceptions for his pet peeves being enforced/funded by the government.

He is also an absolute authority on what being a libertarian is. Didn't you see him just school Ron Paul earlier? Wow!! That man is the Shizz!!!

JCDenton0451 is in favor of mandatory taxpayer funding for abortions, he's argued in favor of this before.

 

[Warlord]

JCDenton0451 is in favor of mandatory taxpayer funding for abortions, he's argued in favor of this before.

He's a strange poster on RPF that's for sure.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'm sure carrying your rapist's child isn't great. Social conservatives want to force a woman to do just that. This is barbaric. They are willing to trump over individual's freedom and dignity in the name of "morals". Nothing libertarian about that.

I don't think Ron Paul believes in the rape exception either.

 

[neoreactionary]

He's a strange poster on RPF that's for sure.

Yes, I'm also seriously troubled by his virulent anti-semitism. We get enough people falsely accusing Ron/Rand Paul and their supporters of that without having to deal with someone for whom the accusation is actually true.

 

[Origanalist]

I'm not sure JCDenton would actually agree with you on this. He might, I hope he does, but he surprises me quite often. He appears to be a person that believes in special exceptions for his pet peeves being enforced/funded by the government.

He is also an absolute authority on what being a libertarian is. Didn't you see him just school Ron Paul earlier? Wow!! That man is the Shizz!!!

Fo shizle!

 

[Christian Liberty]

I've always thought of "libertarian" as a fairly open term. One issue doesn't change someone from being a libertarian to not a libertarian. Otherwise, there would be very, very few libertarians. Most people don't agree on every single issue.

Abortion has always been a topic that many libertarians disagreed on, anyway.

I pretty much agree with this, although I think foreign policy at least sort of has to be the exception. If your one "blind spot" is that you want to bomb Iran, I don't think you'd qualify as being a libertarian.

 

[FrancisMarion]

Well then Christie is a baby.

 

[asurfaholic]

Bacteria is not human life.

That said, trying to have a discussion/debate on abortion is a debate that nobody wins. I've never seen such a discussion where one side changes the opinion of anyone on the other. Either someone believes that life begins at conception or they don't.....

especially the baby who got her head scraped off on the early round.

 

[asurfaholic]

I pretty much agree with this, although I think foreign policy at least sort of has to be the exception. If your one "blind spot" is that you want to bomb Iran, I don't think you'd qualify as being a libertarian.

Do you think Rand wants to bomb iran?