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@Neoreactionary/Federico/spladle/whatever he calls himself now

You are pathetic. There is not nearly enough PC enforcers on this board to make your "virulent antisemetism" charge stick.

And didn't you proudly admit to being a racist? Didn't you call the Muslims (and rednecks) subhuman? Didn't you admit that you enjoy and crave power?

Seriously, creating a new account after you've been banned should be a bannable offence. This person is obnoxios troll and he just wouldn't stop.
 
I really don't care to. Everyone who reads this forum regularly and has a decent memory recognizes a few things about JCDenton0451: He's extremely anti-Semitic, he loves abortion, and he hates Christians and social conservatives. It doesn't matter to me whether you agree or not - a brief perusal of his posting history would confirm my claim.
LOL, this is just beyond pathetic. You make a claim (JCDenton is "virulently anti-Semitic"), and instead of backing it up, simply say that everyone recognizes a few things about him. I read this forum regularly and have never seen any anti-Semitism from him, proving your "everyone" claim false.

Learn to differentiate between opposition to a philosophy and opposition to a people. I'm willing to bet that he doesn't give a rat's ass if non-Zionists are Jewish or not.
 
Attention everyone: neoreactionary is spladle
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You should check out his posts in this thread:
[h=1]Zionist rabbi: 'Rand Paul is the single greatest danger to Israel’s standing in the U.S.'[/h]
This guy is completely insane.
 
I don't dismiss the correlation between IQ scores and important life outcomes. I dismiss the concept of IQ scores being a stationary quality and not themselves influenced by many factors. If one can improve one's IQ score simply by playing a lot of Tetris (which has been shown in scientific studies if I recall), the idea of using test scores to judge the innate capability of an entire race of people is, to say the least, a bit unfair, especially given the vastly different environmental factors experienced by people of different races, even those living in the same country. This has nothing to do with "PC dogma", but rather that IQ is simply a shaky foundation to build any argument on, as you don't "have an IQ", but rather the ability to score a certain distribution of IQ scores at a particular point in time.

It's true that temporary boosts to IQ scores can result from particular forms of training and study, but long-term testing demonstrates that these effects fade out over time. In fact, the fade-out effect is so large and strong that by age 30, gaps resulting from being raised in differing socioeconomic circumstances almost completely disappear.

It's true that IQ scores are influenced by many factors, but general intelligence ("g") is a very stable trait in adults and is a very strong predictor of various outcomes for both individuals and groups. The scientific literature on this issue is so overwhelmingly one-sided that the only possible way you could doubt it is as a result of ingesting mass quantities of PC propaganda.

Environmental factors play a much smaller role than genetics in determining adult IQ. Fair or not, it is factually true that black people are, on average, less intelligent and more violent than white people, and the vast majority of these differences are the result of genetics, which we know of no way to change. In other words: on average, black people are less suited to life in civilized societies than white people, and their inclusion in a population that was formerly racially homogenous produces a rise in crime, fear, distrust, inequality, and other social ills. Similar comments could be made about mestizos, to a lesser extent.

The denial that intelligence is very much an innate and largely immutable trait is arguably the most important tenet of PC dogma. It is only after denying this obvious truth that the rest of the PC doctrine falls into place. So it's pretty silly to see you pretend to be an opponent of political correctness. You are so completely enveloped in its womb that you can't even see out. You imagine yourself fighting against it when in fact you are its ardent defender.

As I said, there's nothing wrong with this. It's just wise to not prematurely jump to conclusions.

Agreed. It's similarly wise not to refrain from reaching conclusions merely because they make us uncomfortable.

And I'm not opposed at all to profiling tactics, as long as stubborn committal to them doesn't lead to a security breach in the long term. Simplified example: if we only check guys who appear "Islamic" in the airports, Islamic terrorist organizations will catch on and only get people who don't look "Islamic" to carry out their attacks.

Also agreed. I took Schneier's side in his debate with Sam Harris. Hopefully my reasons for asking were obvious.
 
@Neoreactionary/Federico/spladle/whatever he calls himself now

You are pathetic. There is not nearly enough PC enforcers on this board to make your "virulent antisemetism" charge stick.

You don't need to be a PC enforcer to find virulent anti-Semitism offensive, do you? I'm certainly no fan of PC, but I find your seemingly endless crusade against and obsession with Jews to be deeply abhorrent.

And didn't you proudly admit to being a racist?

No. I said that there were certain widely-used definitions of racist according to which it would be fair to call me a racist. However, I do not employ those definitions nor do I think of myself as a racist. I prefer to ignore race whenever possible and deal with people according to their characteristics as individuals.

Didn't you call the Muslims (and rednecks) subhuman?

No, I implied that Muslims who violently objected to our exchanging pleasantries with Zionists and rednecks in the South who had a similar reaction to black men exchanging pleasantries with white women were sub-human, and I stand by that judgment. People who get very angry over the fact that other people are enjoying the company of one another have something wrong with them, in my opinion. Calling them "sub-human" may be a bit of a stretch, but it's not a huge one imo.

Didn't you admit that you enjoy and crave power?

Yes, but only insofar as that power allows me to resist the power of others. I have little interest in bending others to my will. But it takes power to forge your own path. Without power, you will become a tool of others. This is unavoidable.
 
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LOL, this is just beyond pathetic. You make a claim (JCDenton is "virulently anti-Semitic"), and instead of backing it up, simply say that everyone recognizes a few things about him. I read this forum regularly and have never seen any anti-Semitism from him, proving your "everyone" claim false.

Learn to differentiate between opposition to a philosophy and opposition to a people. I'm willing to bet that he doesn't give a rat's ass if non-Zionists are Jewish or not.

I didn't back up my claim because you seem pretty dumb, so I don't care what you think. If you were smarter, and I valued your opinion more, I might take the trouble of linking to various posts where JCDenton0451 has made countless comments that, taken as a whole, paint a very vivid picture of anti-Semitism. But you aren't, and I don't, so I won't.

If you don't think he's anti-Semitic, this is reasonably strong evidence that you are yourself anti-Semitic, though.

When a philosophy is overwhelmingly identified with a people, opposition to one often overlaps with opposition to the other. However, I'm not a Zionist, and I certainly don't think of myself as an anti-Semite. I'm sure there are tons of people who oppose Zionism without having anything against Jews per se. But JCDenton0451 is not one of those people. He has a problem with Jews, and that fact makes me dislike him.
 
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Attention everyone: neoreactionary is spladle
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You should check out his posts in this thread:
Zionist rabbi: 'Rand Paul is the single greatest danger to Israel’s standing in the U.S.'


This guy is completely insane.

You really shouldn't be so rude to your superiors, kiddo. It's unbecoming.

Also, I believe I already demonstrated to you that it literally takes me three minutes to make a new account. Quit being such a whiny little bitch and learn to deal with my presence. At first I was going to just stop coming here if I got banned, but I've since changed my mind. Watching you descend into hysterics is just too much fun to pass up.
 
It's true that temporary boosts to IQ scores can result from particular forms of training and study, but long-term testing demonstrates that these effects fade out over time. In fact, the fade-out effect is so large and strong that by age 30, gaps resulting from being raised in differing socioeconomic circumstances almost completely disappear.

It's true that IQ scores are influenced by many factors, but general intelligence ("g") is a very stable trait in adults and is a very strong predictor of various outcomes for both individuals and groups. The scientific literature on this issue is so overwhelmingly one-sided that the only possible way you could doubt it is as a result of ingesting mass quantities of PC propaganda.

Environmental factors play a much smaller role than genetics in determining adult IQ. Fair or not, it is factually true that black people are, on average, less intelligent and more violent than white people, and the vast majority of these differences are the result of genetics, which we know of no way to change. In other words: on average, black people are less suited to life in civilized societies than white people, and their inclusion in a population that was formerly racially homogenous produces a rise in crime, fear, distrust, inequality, and other social ills. Similar comments could be made about mestizos, to a lesser extent.

The denial that intelligence is very much an innate and largely immutable trait is arguably the most important tenet of PC dogma. It is only after denying this obvious truth that the rest of the PC doctrine falls into place. So it's pretty silly to see you pretend to be an opponent of political correctness. You are so completely enveloped in its womb that you can't even see out. You imagine yourself fighting against it when in fact you are its ardent defender.

btw, just in case someone feels like interpreting these comments in an uncharitable way, please recall that earlier in the thread I said this:

I strongly disagree that it is always a good thing to tell the truth, regardless of consideration for political correctness.

Suppose I spent a large fraction of my posts pointing out that black people have an average IQ that is 15 points lower than white people and that this difference is largely due to genetic factors, that black people commit many orders of magnitude more violent crimes on a per-capita basis than white people, that we have actually found the gene that accounts for elevated aggression and hostility in black people, and that social science research shows that racially integrated communities have less social capital, more stress, less cohesion and tolerance, and overall less happy people than do racially homogenous ones.

All of these claims are true, but I would say that they are also racist and that people shouldn't go out of their way to point them out.

My point being is that political correctness - or perhaps more accurately, simple politeness and a preference for avoiding certain controversial topics - can be a good thing. It is generally advisable to avoid talking about racial or sex differences, the heritability and relative immutability of intelligence, and other such issues, even though most people hold seriously flawed views about them and talking might correct some of their misconceptions.
 
It's true that temporary boosts to IQ scores can result from particular forms of training and study, but long-term testing demonstrates that these effects fade out over time. In fact, the fade-out effect is so large and strong that by age 30, gaps resulting from being raised in differing socioeconomic circumstances almost completely disappear.
Obviously there is a genetic component to someone's puzzle-solving ability, and as people settle into their routine, mundane boring lives, the environmental factors balance out so that those who have more natural inclination to puzzle-solving tend to demonstrate that innate ability more as the years pass on.

It's true that IQ scores are influenced by many factors, but general intelligence ("g") is a very stable trait in adults and is a very strong predictor of various outcomes for both individuals and groups. The scientific literature on this issue is so overwhelmingly one-sided that the only possible way you could doubt it is as a result of ingesting mass quantities of PC propaganda.
What do you mean by "general intelligence"? Obviously, as people settle in more as adults and become mentally mature, their mental makeup won't change to the degree of developing children. I don't know if you're accusing me of doubting that this has a correlation to life outcomes because I have never doubted the correlation between puzzle-solving ability (IQ) and life outcomes. However, puzzle-solving ability is just one aspect, and an aspect that isn't entirely genetic. Different groups of people have evolved to adapt to their surroundings, and the differences extend beyond simply "race". I have never once doubted that American blacks as a whole are less adept at this puzzle-solving aspect.

Environmental factors play a much smaller role than genetics in determining adult IQ. Fair or not, it is factually true that black people are, on average, less intelligent and more violent than white people, and the vast majority of these differences are the result of genetics, which we know of no way to change. In other words: on average, black people are less suited to life in civilized societies than white people, and their inclusion in a population that was formerly racially homogenous produces a rise in crime, fear, distrust, inequality, and other social ills. Similar comments could be made about mestizos, to a lesser extent.
I'd hesitate to say "less intelligent", but if you determine intelligence purely on puzzle-solving aptitude (IQ tests), then sure. And the rest is definitely scientific fact, no matter how "racist" it may be to state. It's the direct consequence of bringing a group of people evolved and adapted to "uncivilized life" into a "civilized" land. It's the one consequence of slavery which is taboo to mention, but if it were, the quality of life of all people could potentially increase. Of course, that would require popping the PC bubble which I'm all for.

The denial that intelligence is very much an innate and largely immutable trait is arguably the most important tenet of PC dogma. It is only after denying this obvious truth that the rest of the PC doctrine falls into place. So it's pretty silly to see you pretend to be an opponent of political correctness. You are so completely enveloped in its womb that you can't even see out. You imagine yourself fighting against it when in fact you are its ardent defender.
Once again, I don't know if you're attributing these beliefs personally to me, or not.

But what I ask you is: for someone who sees through PC dogma, why do you resort to slinging charges of "virulent anti-Semitism"?

As you see, my main gripe with the pseudoscience of being able to supposedly determine "intelligence" through puzzle-solving ability on a test, is just that. It's going to show correlation, sure, but you're wading into very dangerous territory when you start to say "person X is intellectually superior to person Y" simply based on their ability to perform some timed puzzle-solving exercises. The correlation will always be there, but "intelligence" as it is commonly used in modern society extends far beyond what can be measured with an IQ test. And you said that you don't find me intelligent in an earlier post, so that further proves my point as I can score extremely high on IQ tests.
 
What do you mean by "general intelligence"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

But what I ask you is: for someone who sees through PC dogma, why do you resort to slinging charges of "virulent anti-Semitism"?

Because I think JCDenton0451 is a virulent anti-Semite. Based on the things he says in this forum, I have concluded that he is hostile to Jews and would like to see bad things happen to them. This sentiment disgusts me. I am perfectly comfortable with saying a wide variety of politically incorrect things, but I am deeply disturbed by Actual Racism of the sort that I see JCDenton0451 put on display.

As you see, my main gripe with the pseudoscience of being able to supposedly determine "intelligence" through puzzle-solving ability on a test, is just that. It's going to show correlation, sure, but you're wading into very dangerous territory when you start to say "person X is intellectually superior to person Y" simply based on their ability to perform some timed puzzle-solving exercises. The correlation will always be there, but "intelligence" as it is commonly used in modern society extends far beyond what can be measured with an IQ test.

I think you should read the wiki article on "g factor" that I linked to above. It is true that no single test allows us to perfectly quantify a person's intelligence. It does not follow that intelligence testing is a pseudoscience or that intelligence is not a real thing. Some people are intellectually superior to other people, and it is often possible to render this judgment solely on the basis of their ability to perform timed puzzle-solving exercises. The larger the difference between two scores, the more likely the difference is to represent a real difference in intellectual capacity.

So while I would agree that intelligence extends beyond what can currently be measured with an IQ test, I would not say that it extends "far" beyond, and I am convinced that this gap will continue to shrink. Our ability to identify, measure, and quantify intelligence is growing with time.

And you said that you don't find me intelligent in an earlier post, so that further proves my point as I can score extremely high on IQ tests.

Technically, I said only that "you seem pretty dumb;" that impression has since faded. The adeptness with which you communicate renders "pretty dumb" an indefensible summary of your intellectual abilities. Nevertheless, I maintain the belief that you have some blind spots in your worldview that couldn't exist if you were significantly smarter. "Extremely high" means different things to different people.
 
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Who the fuck...christ, I observe a posting sabbatical and all of a sudden, my RPFs are filled with dum-dums posting about whether or not abortion is or is not something Libertarians can support, and now this crap on page three...Here, let me give you people some help:Chris Christie is a big fat rolly-polly of a man that took a stand against the Teachers' Union in NJ, and helped out the state economy there (I think. If I'm wrong, fuck it I don't care) and because he had a few Youtube worthy encounters with idiots two years ago, he's the great white GOP hope, and we should listen to him because yack yack yack or so says the media.Rand Paul will scratch Chrispy Creme off his nads like a minor case of crotch crickets, and by Halloween, no one will be talking about Chris Christie other than the NJ papers and whoever else gives a shit about local politics back east.Rand will still be a Senator, still taking stands for liberty, still taking body blows from the media, and damn well may end up coming out on top. Cool. /thread
 
You are in favor of gross restrictions on a freedom of individual, because of a belief that every zygote is worth protecting, even though it is not conscious, not self-aware, not intelligent, and doesn't feel anything. It's not a person...yet. It's a thing.

the fuck is your problem? it is a life at its primal stage.

it contains genetic material foreign to the maternal body, so it's not even a part of woman's body since half of it is foreign.. if it were a clone like most bacteria and viruses, you could argue it is somehow a part of the woman's body. ever learn biology? the only question here is whether a woman at her inconvenience should have the ability to decide to terminate a life at its primal stage. many of us think nobody has the power to decide that, men or women, according to this nation's founding principles. such an attempt to sidetrack the argument and reverse-psychology whether it is life.. the fuck else do you describe heterogenetic cells that came together on their own and automatically self divides into completely self functioning brains and organs? magic?
 
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