CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[LittleLightShining]

And that is why John Tate MUST GO. He is unelected, and had been poison from day one.

I think it has to go further than that, Gunny. Tate has to go, yes. But it was Hopper who brought her LI buddy Tate to the PCC. Hopper and Tate and $5million dollars ended up at C4L. Then they brought in their buddy Rothfeld from the Leadership Institute who decided we needed to ingratiate ourselves with the GOP. This debacle is a prime example of the extremely poor judgment of not just Tate but Hopper and Rothfeld as well.

 

[newbitech]

Off topic.

The question posed was...

"With the advent of the internet, of which more and more people are turning to for information, what the CFL does in a different state will quickly reflect back on the CFL in your state. While you may say that doesn't matter -- only my actions matter -- it will matter to new recruits or new donors or new allies."

The question asked back was:

"Are you recruiting new C4L members, donors or allies."

The response was pertinent.

Your response of "Since when are these the primary objectives of liberty activists? " didn't have anything to do with the post or original question.

is C4l recruiting members or career politicians? I can SEE what you are saying, but this is what I HEAR in my mind.

http://www.qwizx.com/gssfx/usa/tpirhorns.wav

btw, I vote to have the price is right fail horns added to the sound effects in chat.

 

[Daamien]

What direction did you provide as LC?

I completed all of the LC training, organized local meetups, attended town party committee meetings to meet other voters and share my views in hopes of spreading liberty, and even helped host a C4L booth at a local fair. What the hell do you care? The national organization was a blight and I can continue my efforts without them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Not anymore!

lol....

And good Lord, did you even notice what your statement demonstrates that you're interest is?

NOT THE MESSAGE AT ALL - but the MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Jesus H. Christ Jeff, are you here to try and defend CFL or make them look even WORSE?

He is clearly making the C4L look worse. There is no question. He seems to be attacking the very base which built the organization, with the intent to kill it. he is not listening to our concerns, but trashing our right to even have concerns.

From reading this character's posts I am more concerned than ever that the C4L is moving in the wrong direction.

This is one of the reasons why I am concerned about the current leadership. How does the C4L happily tolerate it's own people trashing it's brand -- the brand that WE, you and I helped to build?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The Hamiltonians have taken over the C4L. Unless they are expelled and replaced with Jeffersonians you can expect a dead and dying carcass and good fucking riddance.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Don't do that.

Edit: I see its already done. I hope you rethink your decision.

Mr. Greenspan chose to come to THIS FORUM and tell OUR MEMBERS that we have not done ENOUGH for CFL.

He refused to answer my question regarding whether or not he is paid by CFL.

Were the search function available, I would be able to confirm that he was BANNED BEFORE.

I will not - repeat WILL NOT - tolerate CFL hacks coming in here to attack our membership for not putting up with the CFL sellout.

 

[LittleLightShining]

I completed all of the LC training, organized local meetups, attended town party committee meetings to meet other voters and share my views in hopes of spreading liberty, and even helped host a C4L booth at a local fair. What the hell do you care? The national organization was a blight and I can continue my efforts without them.

I found that, too, actually. When I got involved with the GOP they looked at my involvement with C4L with suspicion.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm done reading this CFL pimp coming in here and pushing their bullshit.

He's gone.

Yeah, this green person may have been doing everything in his power to make the C4L look bad and kill it's base, but I think this was a bad idea. It certainly won't help.

 

[brandon]

CfL is fast becoming the CATO of the r3VOLution

Yep, that about sums it up.

I'm eagerly waiting to hear Lew Rockwell's opinion on this mess.

 

[specsaregood]

Mr. Greenspan chose to come to THIS FORUM and tell OUR MEMBERS that we have not done ENOUGH for CFL.
I will not - repeat WILL NOT - tolerate CFL hacks coming in here to attack our membership for not putting up with the CFL sellout.

Fair enough, and I'm pretty sure you are correct about him being banned previously. Which if true, shows he has no respect for private property rights.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

C4L membership needs to rise up and demand a member-wide election for national chairman. NOW.

 

[angelatc]

My guess is he's on the payroll. After all, CERTAIN people are. Not ALL the folks in the various states are, but CERTAIN people are.

I am absolutely well aware of that. It's years of working with payroll in the private sector that enables the ability to keep mum about such things.

 

[LittleLightShining]

From what I understand there is another state coordinator call tonight. Folks need to call their state coordinators and let them know what they think.

 

[angelatc]

From what I understand there is another state coordinator call tonight. Folks need to call their state coordinators and let them know what they think.

You're right about that.

After Jeff's appearance here, I think I am going cancel my CFL account after all.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

...
In the end, this event has been very disappointing to everyone in the community who has steadfastly supported Ron Paul. My understanding of the C4L is that it was to work with the grassroots community toward common goals. That hasn't happened.

This response did very little to satisfy the growing dissatisfaction within C4L membership and grassroots Ron Paul supporters. We got no new information - nothing we hadn't already figured out on our own via the Forums.

We do not appreciate being treated like ignorant jackasses.

+a gazzillion

C4L membership needs to rise up and demand a member-wide election for national chairman. NOW.

Many orgs. elect entire boards. I suspect that is the only model that will satisfy such a diverse group.

While I do not blame anyone for cancelling their membership, I hope all who do are faxing an explanation as well, with a note on what it would take for you to rejoin. For those who stay, I think we need to ratchet up the pressure and demand that CfL become a leader in transparency, accountability, and true grssroots representation.

 

[LittleLightShining]

While I do not blame anyone for cancelling their membership, I hope all who do are faxing an explanation as well, with a note on what it would take for you to rejoin. For those who stay, I think we need to ratchet up the pressure and demand that CfL become a leader in transparency, accountability, and true grssroots representation.

I know, but it's been a long time coming for me. They know who I am and why I left. Frankly I think they must be relieved.

 

[specsaregood]

Many orgs. elect entire boards. I suspect that is the only model that will satisfy such a diverse group.

While I do not blame anyone for cancelling their membership, I hope all who do are faxing an explanation as well, with a note on what it would take for you to rejoin. For those who stay, I think we need to ratchet up the pressure and demand that CfL become a leader in transparency, accountability, and true grssroots representation.

Unfortunately, if we do by some miracle get a elected board -- I think this is an EXCELLENT suggestion -- it will most likely be limited to dues paying members only. so if the good people leave, they won't have a say in it. I'm staying for the time being but unless something drastic changes I won't be for long.

 

[RileyE104]

NO. It was not the CO C4L that used the logo . CO C4L did NONE of this. They couldn't because they are not organized. They are not officially affiliated yet. The $350k went straight from donor(s) to national. National approved all of this.

Then why don't we all demand that whoever authorized this crap is fired, instead of US leaving... Looks like this "revolution" is falling into the same abyss that the French Revolution did... Only we don't have a guillotine to use on whoever allowed this disaster to happen... I would hate to see C4L ruined because of this. I really thought we were on our way to get lots of good things done this year and in 2012.

I think the best thing to do is just fire whoever allowed that ad to be aired with C4L's logo, which put our reputation on the line to back this guy. It would have been better to use Adam Kokesh, Rand, Peter, John Dennis.. Hell, even RP himself. Why do we need freaking candidates to fill the damn forms out anyways? That's what their websites are for. And more than likely, we already know where true liberty-candidates stand anyways.

Plus I was outraged when I heard Kokesh was never even offered one of the forms. That's just plain fucking ridiculous.

I'm not giving up on C4L though. It's better we expel whoever committed this fuck up.

 

[brandon]

There's zero possibility they will allow an elected board. You should have seen the way they treated us at the CFLs founding meeting. The CFL leaders are typical power-hungry control freaks.

If anything, a new organization should be formed. But really, we have no need for any national organization.

 

[brandon]

Then why don't we all demand that whoever authorized this crap is fired,

I already demanded that in an email I sent out to the paid staff and board members. It ain't gonna happen though. It's like trying to fire your boss.