CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[Mini-Me]

So everyone is going to shit on them before they release a statement, got it.

Honestly, I think the whole way the CFL went about this without grassroots input or communication - regardless of their reasons - justifies shitting on them and demanding that heads roll, all by itself. It's the same secrecy and oligarchical practices that bothered the grassroots about the campaign, and it's also reminiscent of Washington's arrogance. If you read LittleLightShining's post on the other page, their complete disconnect from the grassroots (and possible ulterior motives / complete co-opting) should be readily apparent. Combine the sleaziness she posted about with what seems like almost daily emails begging for money. To me, the real question isn't whether we should be mad, but whether the national CFL is worth salvaging at all.

If people remember I was pretty critical of C4L and never sat on the sidelines about it.

Can you blame the people who did though? (I'm not defending rockandrollsouls though...he's just being, uh...himself, again.)

But having lived in Colorado I know how much an ad like this, helping someone who has no chance to win, will get the attention of many neo-cons and make them wonder what the C4L is about.

It's making non-neocons wonder what the CFL is about too though.

 

[LibertyEagle]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA what the back story is here and out of a spirit of reconciliation I am NOT GOING TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT it, but trust me, IF YOU KNEW you would not say that to me. MYOB.

Yes, I think he would.

You have ALREADY GIVEN the "back story", on the open board. Or have you forgotten that? Feel free to go pull that thread up again and go after it, if you so choose. I've linked to it on several occasions, as you recall. You have a personal vendetta against C4L and you have been looking for blood for quite awhile.

Ah, there is nothing like a good lynch mob in the morning....

 

[Mini-Me]

Ah, there is nothing like a good lynch mob in the morning....

I can't help that indignant outrage is one of my favorite emotions... :o

 

[Liberty Star]

Two days is a long time in a campaign's life, leaving a claim like this unanswered can do a lot of damage if not dealt with promptly :

News | January 26, 2010, 2:34 am

Big bucks – and lots of praise – for Senate candidate Ken Buck
By Lynn Bartels Denver Post Staff Writer

Ken Buck, U.S. Senate candidate
A group called Campaign for Liberty is spending almost $350,000 on ads touting Ken Buck’s GOP Senate campaign.

If it's not true, it just takes two minutes to deny it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I can't help that indignant outrage is one of my favorite emotions... :o

 

[rancher89]

I am going to say this....

I am not at all happy about the ad AT ALL and want to get to the bottom of this as much as anyone.

But, in my opinion, this has turned into a witch hunt.

I am giving them the day to straighten this out. You do as you please.

I hear you, it's just so hard to understand why it is taking so long for them to respond--I mean really?? I don't feel that this is a witch hunt, I'm just concerned that the longer this goes on, the worse the statement is going to be. Will we believe the statement from Tate or whomever when it comes out?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

the longer it takes for them to respond, the less credible the response will seem. It's going to get harder and harder for those who are skeptical of the goals of the c4l to get past this, the longer it takes for the c4l to respond.

Compare it to a forest fire, something i know a fair amount about.

It is much better to catch it as early as possible than to have to fight a huge blaze.

Whatever the reason, whatever the rational behind the ad happening, the ad happened and howard is quoted early on in this thread that the ad is not in support of the candidate but in support of the survey. The ad, however, to most who watch it, it looks like the c4l is supporting the neocon. And then there is the matter of the $350k.

So, somebody screwed up in the c4l or this is an infiltration of the c4l and somebody screwed up as a supervisor or coordinator--because the c4l has been hammering on the "do not support candidates" drum for months. In atlanta rothfeld went so far as to say "support no candidates at all." "easier to hold their feet to the fire." "less chance of support for a candidate coming back to bite us." etc etc

even if nobody checked their phone messages or email until 9:00am est, there's been plenty of time to make some sort of statement....it's now 11:30 am est and no word from the c4l.

"fess up on the mess up" and let's move on.....

+1776

 

[MsDoodahs]

i can't help that indignant outrage is one of my favorite emotions... :o

righteous anger!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

A lot of posters that havent been around for awhile coming in to bash the C4L is making me wonder...

I hope you're not referring to me. I've been around.....and, if it's any consolation, I've been bashing C4L since day one :o

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I have a document that a got early last year. This document is titled "The Campaign For Liberty Partner Relationship". This document details what the state partners need to do to be affiliated with national and what national will do for the state partners. It ties the hands of the states quite nicely. as I've said before VT has not affiliated.

I want to quote part of this document, the section entitled "State Partner Goals".



Notice how they ordered the goals?

In exchange for states fulfilling these goals they get

(***There is nothing "below" to "see" that explains exactly what's meant by this unless what they are getting at is what's in the last quote)

But wait, if you act now there's more! Including:


But that's not all! If you act now

And the funny thing is that information was available to everyone BEFORE they donated to and support C4L. Anyone could have seen that it was a recipe for disaster....if they only read

 

[LittleLightShining]

And the funny thing is that information was available to everyone BEFORE they donated to and support C4L. Anyone could have seen that it was a recipe for disaster....if they only read

No, this wasn't available to everyone. This was given to interim state coordinators to "share this information with other members of your state organization (especially those who prepare newsletters, stationary, etc)."

 

[Chieftain1776]

In addition to why they endorsed Buck I want to know what the process was. If I was a big donor I'd demand to know the names of from who suggested the idea all the way to who signed off on it.

 

[ItsTime]

In addition to why they endorsed Buck I want to know what the process was. If I was a big donor I'd demand to know the names of from who suggested the idea all the way to who signed off on it.

They did not endorse him. Get your facts right before you bitch.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I hear you, it's just so hard to understand why it is taking so long for them to respond--I mean really?? I don't feel that this is a witch hunt, I'm just concerned that the longer this goes on, the worse the statement is going to be. Will we believe the statement from Tate or whomever when it comes out?

I have no idea, rancher and I agree with you that the longer they wait, the worse they are making the situation.

I'm not happy, either.

 

[Chieftain1776]

I just thought of something... could it have been a new set of donations from some of Buck's supporters and C4L just allowed themselves to be used as a front for Buck? This really could be it and it would make sense as 501(4) groups don't have to disclose their donors and can recieve unlimited amounts of donations from a single donor. This is what many suspect Mitt Romney did to Mike Huckabee in '08. Really I think this could be it:

In an interesting twist, many donors to the Club for Growth have also donated to the campaign of Mitt Romney, who has been attacking Huckabee with his own ads (For his part, Huckabee, in a now controversial press briefing, announced that he was pulling an attack ad of his own designed to respond to Romney, and then showed the ad to the press).

Houston home-builder Bob J. Perry of "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" fame, has donated $2,300 to Romney - and two weeks ago gave $200,000 to the Club for Growth, the Times reports. The paper also discovered that Boston investor John Childs, who donated $2,100 to Romney in 2007, has given $100,000 to the Club for Growth.

The Times' analysis of over 400 other donors to the Club for Growth in 2007 shows they also have given $60,000 to Romney, $65,000 to Giuliani, but less than $4,000 to Huckabee.

Romney's aides told the Times he has no connection to the Club for Growth's ads.

 

[MsDoodahs]

in addition to why they endorsed buck i want to know what the process was. If i was a big donor i'd demand to know the names of from who suggested the idea all the way to who signed off on it.

yes.

 

[Chieftain1776]

They did not endorse him. Get your facts right before you bitch.

I'm sorry but if you make an ad like that...it's an endorsement. If C4L made the same ad for Obama it'd be an endorsement and people would be right to call C4L out on it.

 

[brandon]

"Reduce taxes, control government spending." ---Howard Campaign Ad

The above represents the reason why third parties emphasize their principled platforms to a fault. This 'controlling spending' cant is not the Paul agenda platform of 2007-2008, or that of the Revolution, the liberty movement, the (original pronouncements of) CFL, the Tea Parties, or anything else we thought we agreed on. It is the language of milquetoast GOP hacks everywhere. It's the mantra Monica Crowley used on the McLaughlin Group to describe the basic agenda of the Tea Party movement. It is deliberate misdescription designed to co-opt us. This is why we should keep the old Ron Paul 2008 palm cards handy, to remind us of what the real platform is about:

Excellent post.

 

[LibertyMage]

496 comments and 15,593 views. Where is this sort of energy when we need to get things done?

 

[ItsTime]

496 comments and 15,593 views. Where is this sort of energy when we need to get things done?

Exactly!