CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

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RCA said:
I know that here in Florida a separate state, C4L-related organization was created by the State Coordinator that was distinct from the national C4L. I don't know about other states.
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That's a good point. What if the Colorado C4L raised the money themselves, and donated it to that guy? I guess we could blame the oxygen deprivation ....
 
I was a C4L member, but I think this is the right place for me. Even if there is an explanation, I am far too sketched out by what I am reading here. Thanks to MrOcked for letting us know about this over at C4L.
 
RCA said:
I know that here in Florida a separate state, C4L-related organization was created by the State Coordinator that was distinct from the national C4L. I don't know about other states.
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Irrelevant. the NATIONAL Campaign for liberty communications Director has already stated that they created, and funded the ad as a reward for filling out a survey.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...rado-praising-senate-candidate-video.php#more
Gary Howard, communications director for the Campaign For Liberty, told TPMDC that the ad is not an endorsement of Buck, but is instead intended to promote their candidate surveys. "It's not a support ad or an endorsement ad, it's just based on our candidate surveys," said Howard. "And we want every candidate to answer our surveys. So as soon as another candidate answers our survey, we'll probably do another ad stating that."
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angelatc said:
That's a good point. What if the Colorado C4L raised the money themselves, and donated it to that guy? I guess we could blame the oxygen deprivation ....
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They raised $350,000? And they did that without anybody here or any of the other RP sites talking about it, or even trying to sell Ken Buck to the rest of us as someone worth supporting? And they involved Gary Howard somehow? I don't think that's it.
 
UtahApocalypse said:
Irrelevant. the NATIONAL Campaign for liberty communications Director has already stated that they created, and funded the ad as a reward for filling out a survey.
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Let's ALL fill out a survey!! Hooray!! Cash and goodies for EVERYONE!!! Whooo-Hooo!!!

:)
 
Watch out for people who want to exploit the C4L problem to cause division in the Liberty movement.
 
I just searched our forum to see if Ken Buck had ever been mentioned here before and he has. There are a couple news articles about immigration related stuff that mention his name as an attorney, and then there was a post a few months ago that included that Bay Buchanan article that's already been mentioned. There has never been a single post in these forums presenting him as a candidate worth our attention.

But then there was this one:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=213549&highlight=ken+buck

It appears that Ken Buck beat out a Ron Paul Republican who campaigned on a promise to support only those powers enumerated in the Constitution for the nomination.
 
erowe1 said:
They raised $350,000? And they did that without anybody here or any of the other RP sites talking about it, or even trying to sell Ken Buck to the rest of us as someone worth supporting? And they involved Gary Howard somehow? I don't think that's it.
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Well, I would never underestimate the propensity for national to claim credit for something they didn't actually do, but yeah.....I am grasping at straws. I'm not a huge fan of C4L, but I never wanted this to happen.
 
For convenience, here's that article from the old thread I just linked.
http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/991327-gop-shows-big-love-competition
GOP shows big love for competition
10/02/2009

By Leslie Jorgensen
THE COLORADO STATESMAN

KEYSTONE — “We ought to embrace competition,” Colorado GOP Chairman Dick Wadhams told Republicans gathered at the state party Central Committee meeting in the Keystone Lodge last weekend.
Jane Norton, candidate for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate, won 119 of 344 votes cast in the straw poll for Senate in Keystone. Ken Buck and Ryan Frazier each captured 94 votes.
Photo by Brad Jones

And that’s just what he got as the sea of hopefuls for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate swelled to 10.

“Hi, I’m candidate number 32 for the U.S. Senate,” joked Weld County District Attorney Ken Buck as he introduced himself to the party faithful.

Former Colorado Lt. Gov. Jane Norton was the candidate who won the most votes in Central Committee’s Friday night straw poll — capturing 119 of 344 votes.

“I’m humbled by your support,” Norton told the Republicans. “You are the backbone of this party.”

The poll results were gratifying for Norton, but they weren’t the big bear hug some of her supporters had anticipated.

A whopping 68 percent of the ballots were cast for other candidates. Of those, 55 percent went to Buck and Aurora City Councilman Ryan Frazier, who each snared 94 votes.

The straw poll was taken after a dinner and candidates’ forum on Friday, Sept. 25. Candidates who had registered with the Federal Election Committee had been invited to participate. All candidates — declared and undeclared — were invited to speak at the state GOP Central Committee meeting on the following day.

Although the poll isn’t scientific, it served as a measure of the popularity of candidates among statewide activists. These leaders don’t just vote — they turn out other Republican voters, so the results separated Norton, Buck and Frazier from the rest of the pack.

Third place in the poll — with 12 votes apiece — went to newcomer Luke Korkowski, of Crested Butte, and former 6th District Congressman Tom Tancredo, who hasn’t entered the race.

Korkowski, a relative unknown, delivered a decidedly edgy message that drew applause and raves.
“The reason I can go head-to-head with either (Bennet or Romanoff) is because I’m not in this race because I need a job,” declared Frazier in response to a question.

“We must insist that our president, our senators and our congressmen adhere to and be bound by the text of the United States Constitution,” declared the young attorney, who likens his views to those of Republican Texas Sen. Ron Paul.

Had federal lawmakers abided by the Constitution, Korkowski said, Americans would not be drowning in an $11.4 trillion national debt and facing a projected $1.58 trillion deficit for the full 2009 fiscal year.

“If government didn’t fund unconstitutional programs,” he said, “we could do away with the income tax.”
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Look, if you guys want to help CFL, Rand Paul and Ron Paul you guys are doing it the wrong way...give money to them directly and this stuff happens...I don't trust the Paul family with my money after they blew $34 million in the 2008 presidential race. I don't ever recall him saying that he would spend campaign contributions wisely like Peter Schiff has. What you should do instead is buy bumper stickers, T-shirts, etc at the Campaign for Liberty Store, the RonPaulforCongress.com store, etc and pass this them out or sell them on Ebay...that way you accomplish two goals...helping spread the liberty message and donating to their campaigns. Store purchases are considered as campaign contributions....at least if you make a purchase at their stores, you get something in return and you may even get back your money by selling the merchandise.
 
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erowe1 said:
I just searched our forum to see if Ken Buck had ever been mentioned here before and he has. There are a couple news articles about immigration related stuff that mention his name as an attorney, and then there was a post a few months ago that included that Bay Buchanan article that's already been mentioned. There has never been a single post in these forums presenting him as a candidate worth our attention.

But then there was this one:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=213549&highlight=ken+buck

It appears that Ken Buck beat out a Ron Paul Republican who campaigned on a promise to support only those powers enumerated in the Constitution for the nomination.
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So now we even find that he has gone against one of ours??

Im getting more and more pissed every minute that C4l is not explaining and firing half of the damn staff over this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Maybe somebody should contact Luke Korkowski, since he's got his boots on the ground there.
 
Maybe it's just me but since CFL HQ knew this was blowing up before their day ended, I would THINK they'd get some sort of statement up about this.

ho hum...nothing to see here...move along....send us a check...problem? what problem? send us more money.

:rolleyes:
 
qh4dotcom said:
Look, if you guys want to help CFL, Rand Paul and Ron Paul you guys are doing it the wrong way...give money to them directly and this stuff happens...I don't trust the Paul family with my money after they blew $34 million in the 2008 presidential race. I don't ever recall him saying that he would spend campaign contributions wisely like Peter Schiff has. What you should do instead is buy bumper stickers, T-shirts, etc at the Campaign for Liberty Store, the RonPaulforCongress.com store, etc and pass this them out or sell them on Ebay...that way you accomplish two goals...helping spread the liberty message and donating to their campaigns. Store purchases are considered as campaign contributions....at least if you make a purchase at their stores, you get something in return and you may even get back your money by selling the merchandise.
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I'm just curious, if you don't trust Ron Paul with your money, how is he any different from other politicians?

I trust him but not necessarily everyone from the 2008 PCC.
 
MsDoodahs said:
Maybe it's just me but since CFL HQ knew this was blowing up before their day ended, I would THINK they'd get some sort of statement up about this.

ho hum...nothing to see here...move along....send us a check...problem? what problem? send us more money.

:rolleyes:
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Banker hours baby, banker hours.

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