CBS Poll: 56% of NH Republicans View RP Unfavorably

[Etta Place]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/08/politics/main3689561.shtml


All of the vote fraud and other excuses won't work. Ron Paul is viewed unfavorably by 56% of the voters he's trying to capture! THAT IS A PROBLEM!!

On more personal ground, all of the Republican candidates are viewed positively, with the exception of Ron Paul. Fifty-six percent of GOP primary voters rated Paul unfavorably. All of the other candidates are rated favorably by around 6 in 10 voters. McCain has the most positive ratings at 75 percent.

When voters were asked about a host of important candidate characteristics - electability, leadership and ability to be commander-in-chief - pluralities chose McCain as the top candidate on each.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

That means 44% don't and that would mean he should of scored higher with out vote fraud. I think the Jefferson county in IA proved we need to educate people too more of the other candidates bad sides compared to Paul. And how they are bad for the USA.

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[Etta Place]

Perhaps it had something to do with the James Kirchick article, but if 56% of the Republicans had a bad feeling about Ron Paul, he has an awfully steep hill to climb.

 

[flahavin]

Even if a vote recount doesn't give him a win, a significant number of votes can put him ahead of Rudy, and possibly give him 1 delegate vote.

 

[han_solo]

This is because the RP campain has allowed the mainstream neo-cons to constantly call him a kook, call his supporters 'troofers', and now adding 'racist/nazi' to the mix. NOT returning the $500 was a MAJOR mistake.

They are afraid of what they don't understand, and unfortunately this republican party may be doomed.

 

[Pete]

I saw an analysis of vote counts vs. exit polls the other day (can't remember where) and IIRC, Rudy, Huck, and Ron all have a vote gap while Mitt had a gain.


I am concerned about fraud, but I think we need to pick our battles better than a second tier finish in a little state. We beat Fred and were within spitting distance of frontrunner Huck and Rudy. Even 1000+ votes wouldn't alter the outcome appreciably, IMO.

 

[bobbysheldon]

That means 44% don't and that would mean he should of scored higher with out vote fraud. I think the Jefferson county in IA proved we need to educate people too more of the other candidates bad sides compared to Paul. And how they are bad for the USA.

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That doesn't really make much sense. I might view candidate X and candidate Y negatively and never vote for them but still have to decide between candidates A, B and C. If B for whatever reason, more charasmatic or slightly better positions, is somehow a little better than A and C then you'll see more people go to B than the others. Just because 44% don't view him unfavorably doesn't mean they like him the best...just that their isn't great disdain.

As for the second part of your statement...this needs to be done and quickly. Especially here in MI. Romney is spending a fortune on ads up here and people are buying into it. He needs comparative advertising against Romney. Economy is everything here and they just raised taxes. Hit MI hard with no tax ads and compare that to Romney and Huckabee's records in their states. Appart from canvassing and the grassroots, MI is getting sorely neglected for having so many delegates at stake. The campaign offices are great but we need ads that hit hard at the Oceanic differences between RP and the others. 100 years in Iraq anyone?

 

[mongoose]

Or maybe it is a bullshit poll. If it is legit, we need to get them to realize that he is what the Republican party use to be. The current Republican party is the old Democratic Party and the current Democratic party is almost Socialist (they are on some issues, IMO).

 

[partypooper]

All of the vote fraud and other excuses won't work. Ron Paul is viewed unfavorably by 56% of the voters he's trying to capture! THAT IS A PROBLEM!!

the problem is that he barely ever made an effort to capture them. he made far greater efforts in capturing liberals by using simplistic anti-war slogans. some of us have been warning all along that this can not possibly work, yet it has not been corrected, it might have even gotten worse (e.g. dr paul praising kucinich on leno before the NH primary... luckily, as we see now, at least 44% of republicans do not watch leno).

 

[Eponym_mi]

I'd view this as a positive. Anyone that is still a declared Republican is hard-core Bushy or a neocon.

The problem RP is having relates to perceived image and electibility. If he can overcome that while viewed favorably by 44% of Republicans, AND RP gains more support from Independents and Democrats, we're golden.

 

[Shiva_Rodriguez]

Are we still trusting "polls"?

Come on... given the right spin in the question and the right target group, you can get 56% of the "public" to denounce Jesus Christ.

 

[TattooTom]

This vote fraud conspiracy stuff is just going to hurt the campaign further. We are already plagued with 9/11 conspiracy types, the recent newsletters plagued with conspiracies about Jews.

It seems like every time something bad happens, the knee jerk reaction is to blame it on Jews (zionists, "international bankers," etc.) or resort to conspiracy theories like voter fraud.

Yeah, like that isn't going to drive people away even further.

 

[Ethek]

This vote fraud conspiracy stuff is just going to hurt the campaign further. We are already plagued with 9/11 conspiracy types, the recent newsletters plagued with conspiracies about Jews.

It seems like every time something bad happens, the knee jerk reaction is to blame it on Jews (zionists, "international bankers," etc.) or resort to conspiracy theories like voter fraud.

Yeah, like that isn't going to drive people away even further.

To comment on you'r 1st post I will agree with you and raise you 1,000. The campaign has made a decsion. If people want a recount then it needs to happen from other channesl. Recount Ron Paul and 'Truther' rants/raves/signs need to be separated as much as possible.

 

[thisisgiparti]

This is because the RP campain has allowed the mainstream neo-cons to constantly call him a kook, call his supporters 'troofers', and now adding 'racist/nazi' to the mix. NOT returning the $500 was a MAJOR mistake.

They are afraid of what they don't understand, and unfortunately this republican party may be doomed.

returning the check would not make the racist attacks go away.

it wasn't voter fraud or skewed polls. the campaign failed to acquaint NH residents with their candidate. anyway, here are my thoughts on NH: NH voted on both the Democrat and Republican sides with the candidates who, in their minds, contradicted the Bush administration the most. It was a pathetic attempt to turn back the clock to 2000 when McCain won the state and HRC was younger and basking in her husband's staunch popularity. So many liberals and Independents saw these two candidates - John McCain and HRC - as the missed opportunities for a better and Bush-less world. They misjudged these old Washington insiders who are anything but wise from their careers on the Hill. These are politicians who were "changed by Washington" but NH was too maudlin to see it when they cast their votes.

 

[rockwell]

Maybe if Ron got an afro, flew to Israel to kiss the wailing wall, begged forgiveness for being a man and took a gay lover, his numbers would improve.

Do you really want Ron Paul for president, or do you want Mr Potato Head? You don't seem to like anything about him.

 

[Feelgood]

Fuck you FRANK!!!

 

[Rhys]

Guys, please to God just do it the old way and don't worry so much about voter fraud. We can't do anything about it right now. Are we canvasing to get Paul elected or starting a voter fraud movement?

just politic... work IN THE MACHINE. That's what Paul is doing, so should you.

 

[MessyTessy]

I call BS...I don't think 56% of NH voters even know who Ron Paul is. I imagine about 20% could actually tell who he is from a picture or a decent description of his resume. They only know his name and the MSM's portrayal of him.

Less than 20% could probably tell you more than a couple of his stances on important issues. We just have to overcome anonymity.

 

[Iowa4Paul]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true considering the fact that a lot of the GOP moved over to the democrats after the Bush administration.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I saw an analysis of vote counts vs. exit polls the other day (can't remember where) and IIRC, Rudy, Huck, and Ron all have a vote gap while Mitt had a gain.


I am concerned about fraud, but I think we need to pick our battles better than a second tier finish in a little state. We beat Fred and were within spitting distance of frontrunner Huck and Rudy. Even 1000+ votes wouldn't alter the outcome appreciably, IMO.

I was listening to NPR a little bit ago, and someone from the Pew Research Center was talking about why the polls were wrong for Hillary and Obama. They said Hillary's support comes from poor people, and they aren't always reached by traditional polling methods. So, now I'm supposed to believe that Hillary's support can be undermeasured in polls, but they're on the button with Paul's supporters in polls?

If that's true, all I can say, is that I must have some type of serious denial going on.