Cantor, Brat, and the immigration issue....

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Yup. Liberty ain't coming from south of the border. That's for sure. Only tyranny.

Bullshit. It's the Mexicans I see in Chicago fighting the alderman over food cart licensing and permits.

But no, you're right, they're lazy tyrannical leaches.

 

[AuH20]

Bullshit. It's the Mexicans I see in Chicago fighting the alderman over food cart licensing and permits.

But no, you're right, they're lazy tyrannical leaches.

They are human beings vulnerable to hunger and lies. Same as many domestic Americans. Don't need any more to rehabilitate.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

What has been happening in the mass movement of people from Central America in particular is not immigration, but colonization. Immigration implies an intent to assimilate, and that intent is not present.

Pretty sure the same argument was used against the Chinese, Irish, Italians, and Polish during the late 19th/early 20th centuries.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

They are human beings vulnerable to hunger and lies. Same as many domestic Americans. Don't need any more to rehabilitate.

I'll take them over the lazy American citizens who vote for endless war, drug prohibition, and corporate bailouts.

 

[AuH20]

I'll take them over the lazy American citizens who vote for endless war, drug prohibition, and corporate bailouts.

True, but we can't deport those problems. It's a numbers issue right now.

 

[eduardo89]

Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico are all bastions of liberty. heh.

In regards to taxation, Mexico is much more free than the US. The majority of Mexicans do not pay a cent in income tax nor do they declare anything. Also, Mexico's tax revenues as a percentage of GDP is much smaller than the US's.

 

[belian78]

Ron Paul also noted that the same borders that can keep people out, can keep people in.

Be careful not to let the media tell you what people think. The media has a tendency to lie. But, I cannot tell you why they lie on a particular subject.

FALSE

He said that 'walls' meant to keep people out, can also keep people in. You gonna tell someone to not listen to liars, then don't lie yourself.

 

[belian78]

Immigration is natural and predates the concept of "the state".

Way to gloss over his/her entire point.

 

[belian78]

There's arguments on other topics going about Rand, "illegal"' immigration, and Cantor. Collins is usually a douche but he has his finger on the pulse of what's happening. One of the popular spins is that "Cantor lost because of immigration reform."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-to-Discuss-%91Need-for-Immigration-Reform%92

No, that's what Matt and those of his ilk WANT the win to be about, or at least want to spin it that way.

 

[belian78]

You are confusing immigration with welfare; the two are not the same.

Are you going to deny that both issues at present are force multipliers when talking about the health of our economy?

 

[Carlybee]

You mean like the criminals who have the freedom to move from Chicago and Detroit to anywhere else in the country? Guess you better pay for walls and checkpoints around those cities.

Move your ass down here and then we'll chat.

 

[Henry Rogue]

NIU, I regret that I have only one rep to give.

Covered

 

[Carlybee]

I'm not advocating for walls. I'm advocating for security. For some of you who don't live in border states, who don't live in large cities where cartel members are relocating to, who don't live in large cities where every crime you can think of is through the roof, for those who don't have to feed, clothe and jail these criminals when they do get caught committing crime, I say you don't know wtf it's about. I bet if criminals were pouring into your state by the thousands and you were told tough doo doo, if you could no longer feel safe going to the grocery store, etc., we would hear a different story. There comes a point when you either protect your own borders or just have a frickin free for all. What's more important to you? Your family's safety or making an ideological point? Oh yeah...I guess I can arm myself with an AR15 when I need to go get gas but I would probably get shot by the cops.

Do I need to point out our tax dollars are paying for border patrol agents to sit on their butts and look the other way? How's that waste of tax dollars sitting with you? How about we just opened up the 3rd Air Force base to house all these illegal kids? Think that's free?

 

[Carlybee]

In regards to taxation, Mexico is much more free than the US. The majority of Mexicans do not pay a cent in income tax nor do they declare anything. Also, Mexico's tax revenues as a percentage of GDP is much smaller than the US's.

Fuck Mexico.

 

[AuH20]

Fuck Mexico.

Mexico is a more of an oppressive oligarchy than the U.S. No doubt.

 

[Carlybee]

Mexico is a more of an oppressive oligarchy than the U.S. No doubt.

No kidding....if people were streaming into their country they would all be in jail..or shot.

 

[eduardo89]

No kidding....if people were streaming into their country they would all be in jail..or shot.

Mexico does jail and deport illegals. The US could learn a lot from them.

 

[Carlybee]

Mexico does jail and deport illegals. The US could learn a lot from them.

Yeah..they just don't want us to jail and deport illegal Mexicans. Oh and I neg rep back.

 

[Matt Collins]

No, that's what Matt and those of his ilk WANT the win to be about, or at least want to spin it that way.

huh? lolwut?



I never wrote anything as such. And who the hell are "my ilk"?

 

[Matt Collins]

Are you going to deny that both issues at present are force multipliers when talking about the health of our economy?

Welfare should not exist in its present form with the government doling out money stolen from others.