Cantor, Brat, and the immigration issue....

[Origanalist]

But should bad laws be obeyed?

(and no I am not saying immigration enforcement is a bad law; I am personally split on the issue)

Did that ride along wear off finally Matt?

I agree with both positions.

I am personally split on the issue

Way to take a stand Matt.

 

[thoughtomator]

Ron Paul also noted that the same borders that can keep people out, can keep people in.

I'm not terribly worried about that, because I don't intend to go anywhere. I'm an American and I will stand my ground here amongst the millions of other Americans who will do the same. If this country goes down the hole into full-scale open tyranny, it will be over my dead body - literally.

I once knew a man who spent the entirety of World War II fighting the Nazis from inside the borders of Austria. I will do the same, should it come to that. Thanks to the primary outcome today, there is less of a chance of ending up there than there was yesterday.

 

[dillo]

It would be nice if we could have open borders, however with the current entitlement state its a recipe for disaster.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I am glad Cantor got the boot, he needed it.

But I wish it had been over an issue other than illegal immigration.


Thoughts?

Disagree. If Rand Paul is going to win in 2016, "the War on the Middle Class" will have to be the central theme of his campaign. What is going on with immigration in this country right now is an important pillar in that theme. Unbridled immigration keeps wages down and destroys the middle class. So Brat's victory is very good news for our cause. Of course, Rand needs to get himself on the right side of this issue. He's been vague enough so far that he isn't fixed in to any positions. If I were advising Rand, I'd instruct him to go an offensive about what is going on at the border right now ASAP. He needs to hammer Obama on this.

 

[fr33]

Illegal "immigration" - and I would contest that the word immigration is appropriate here - is a basic Rule of Law issue. It is one thing to argue that the laws should be changed; it is quite another to discard entirely the idea of it, along with ideas like national sovereignty and self-governance.

What has been happening in the mass movement of people from Central America in particular is not immigration, but colonization. Immigration implies an intent to assimilate, and that intent is not present.

Ron Paul noted that while open borders may be the ideal, it is not possible in practice as long as the US maintains a welfare state.

If you are for open borders while a welfare state is in place, you are not helping the cause of liberty. The welfare incentives must go first, then we can open borders. And when that time comes, and we do open borders, we will get a very different kind of immigrant with a completely different set of expectations than the people who are arriving today.

Immigration is natural and predates the concept of "the state".

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

You're out of touch just like Rand.

Black youth unemployment is 30 percent. Hispanic is over 20 percent, but Rand wants to import millions of new unskilled uneducated people so big business and big agriculture can have cheap labor.

Immigration will doom Rand. He's out of touch with working class people.

People can be out of work and there can also be labor shortages in specific fields. Stop looking at economic matters from a macro perspective.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I wonder what Mitch McConnell is pondering.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not the immigration issue:

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not the immigration issue:

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not the immigration issue:

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not the immigration issue:

Fiscal Responsibility

Our national debt has skyrocketed, reaching over $17 trillion dollars. What our leaders in Washington fail to mention is the $127 Trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities (see U.S. Debt Clock). This lack of leadership on both sides of the aisle threatens our nation’s stability and long term growth and forces an undue burden on our children and grandchildren. We must balance the federal budget by reducing spending. I will support a balanced budget amendment which will force Congress to reign in the out of control federal spending and to restore confidence in the American economy.

http://davebratforcongress.com/issues/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not the immigration issue:

Education

As an economist and educator for eighteen years, I understand the value of a good education. This is why I oppose top down approaches by the Federal Government such as Common Core and No Child Left Behind. I will support efforts to place Virginia’s teachers, parents, and local officials, who best understand the needs of the community, in control of our education system.

http://davebratforcongress.com/issues/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not the immigration issue:

Individual Freedoms

The federal government’s abuse of our freedoms has spun out of control. Whether it is the NSA violating our 4th Amendment Rights by collecting phone records, the IRS violating our 1st Amendment rights by targeting conservative organizations, or President Obama violating our 5th Amendment rights with the indefinite detention of American citizens, our freedoms have been under attack and they must be restored.

http://davebratforcongress.com/issues/

 

[BamaAla]

Don't put words in my mouth, I haven't made a position on it


But illegal immigration can be a divisive issue among the liberty / conservative crowd.

Some people think that it is a form of trespassing and breaking of the rule of law.

Other people think that the government should not be able to regulate the supply curves of labor.


I agree with both positions.

Who in the happy hell cares if it "can be a divisive issue?" The guy just knocked off the house majority leader. Honestly, what's your game?

 

[AuH20]

We have Cantor inviting in people with money that isn't his!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...o-USA-After-Cantor-Announced-Kids-Are-Welcome

"The central policy issue in this race has become Cantor’s absolute determination to pass an amnesty bill. Cantor is the No. 1 cheerleader in Congress for amnesty," Brat had previously written. "This is not the Republican way to fix our economy and labor markets."

Brat said Cantor also doesn't believe in the 10th Amendment and represents the "one party of money" that conservatives and Tea Partiers are challenging. He blasted him for his "arrogance" and elitism for only answering to the Chamber of Commerce instead of the district's voters.

"He sold out the district," Brat said. "In the midst of the worst labor markets that we have, he decides to deliver for the chamber instead of for the district."

 

[fr33]

Who in the happy hell cares if it "can be a divisive issue?" The guy just knocked off the house majority leader. Honestly, what's your game?

There's arguments on other topics going about Rand, "illegal"' immigration, and Cantor. Collins is usually a douche but he has his finger on the pulse of what's happening. One of the popular spins is that "Cantor lost because of immigration reform."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-to-Discuss-%91Need-for-Immigration-Reform%92

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Not the immigration issue:

Lohn Boehner needs to go ASAP! ~Those 28 GOP members who voted to pass the bill should not be forgotten:

GOP Fascist RINOs

Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio, Majority Leader
House Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia,
Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy of California,
Chief Deputy Whip Peter Roskam of Illinois
Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp of Michigan
Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa of California
Appropriations Chairman Harold Rogers of Kentucky
Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce of California
Armed Services Chairman Howard “Buck” McKeon of California
Natural Resources Chairman Doc Hastings of Washington.


GOP Progressives

Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania
three New Yorkers: Michael G. Grimm, Peter T. King and Richard Hanna.

Retiring Nothing to Lose, Republicans

The politically tricky vote for a debt ceiling was made easier for those Republicans who are retiring,
Frank R. Wolf of Virginia
Jon Runyan of New Jersey
Howard Coble of North Carolina


GOP Liberals

David Valadao and Gary G. Miller of California
Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey
Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania
Dave Reichert of Washington

Twitter / SenateDems: Speaker Boehner, keep the Progress ...

 

[Occam's Banana]

But I wish it had been over an issue other than illegal immigration.

Why should we think that Brat did not win due to any issues other than illegal immigration?
Who is telling you that Brat did not win "over an issue other than illegal immigration" ... ?

FTA: http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/10/house-gop-leader-defeated-by-anti-nsa-challenger/

Now watch the bipartisan Washington Establishment go into shock and try to attribute their shocking defeat to low turnout. There’s already talk it’s all about the immigration issue, but this underplays – perhaps deliberately – Brat’s explicit identification with libertarianism in this interview with Breitbart.com.

(Oh, but wait, let me guess: Raimondo's just a flake and doesn't bear being paid any attention. Amirite?)

 

[acptulsa]

Why should we think that Brat did not win due to any issues other than illegal immigration?
Who is telling you that Brat did not win "over an issue other than illegal immigration" ... ?

(Oh, but wait, let me guess: Raimondo's just a flake and doesn't bear being paid any attention. Amirite?)

Everything but the basic buzz goes--but you already knew, didn't you?--right over Teh Collinz' head.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Wonder if US tax payers aid to foreign blowback welfare states & WTC1/2/7 were also on the back of voters minds?


Cantor: Take Israel out of foreign aid

WASHINGTON (JTA) — A Republican Congress would seek to remove funding for Israel from the foreign operations budget, a GOP leader said. U.S. Rep. Eric Cantor, the Republican whip and the only Jewish Republican in the House of Representatives, told JTA that a GOP-led House would seek to defund nations that do not share U.S. interests, even if it meant rejecting the president’s foreign operations budget.
Cantor, of Virginia, said he wants to protect funding for Israel should that situation arise.
"Part of the dilemma is that Israel has been put in the overall foreign aid looping," he said when asked about the increasing tendency of Republicans in recent years to vote against foreign operations appropriations. "I’m hoping we can see some kind of separation in terms of tax dollars going to Israel."

Read more: http://www.jta.org/2010/10/24/news-opinion/united-states/cantor-take-israel-out-of-foreign-aid