Cantor, Brat, and the immigration issue....

[BamaAla]

Nope. I'm not the originator of that idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_iniusta_non_est_lex

See also Martin Luther King's Letter from a Birmingham Jail.

Obeying unjust laws is a long way from enforcing unjust laws when it comes to the "rule of law." One of the bedrocks of rule of law is the predictable enforcement of statutory law; one of the surest signs of tyranny is the selective enforcement of statutory law.

 

[erowe1]

Obeying unjust laws is a long way from enforcing unjust laws when it comes to the "rule of law." One of the bedrocks of rule of law is the predictable enforcement of statutory law; one of the surest signs of tyranny is the selective enforcement of statutory law.

Not statutory law, but actual law. A statute that is unjust is not a law. Nor is a statute that's unconstitutional. If these statutes are being selectively enforced, it's not the cases where they're not enforced that undermine rule of law, it's the cases where they are.

 

[AuH20]

There's something seriously wrong with you if you don't think we need to stop immigration from Mexico

Yup. Liberty ain't coming from south of the border. That's for sure. Only tyranny.

 

[erowe1]

There's something seriously wrong with you if you don't think we need to stop immigration from Mexico

Stop it how?

 

[BamaAla]

Not statutory law, but actual law. A statute that is unjust is not a law. Nor is a statute that's unconstitutional. If these statutes are being selectively enforced, it's not the cases where they're not enforced that undermine rule of law, it's the cases where they are.

Statutory law is law. Statutes that are unjust or unconstitutional are law. There is a process by which those laws are repealed, rendered moot, or struck, but they are law during their lives.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Stop it how?

There's a few things, end birthright citizenship, cut off services for illegals, put in place stiff punishments for people who hire illegals , and then you can start deporting people. Stop treating libertarianism like its a religion and start looking at the facts .

The "browner" this country gets the less liberty there will be. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but for the most part the only people who care about liberty and limited gov are white people, and the less of them that make up the electorate the lesser the chances are that we have liberty minded candidates elected . The way things are going now the US could easily turn into a one party rule nation similar to California by 2050

 

[erowe1]

Statutory law is law. Statutes that are unjust or unconstitutional are law.

No they aren't.

 

[AuH20]

There's a few things, end birthright citizenship, cut off services for illegals, put in place stiff punishments for people who hire illegals , and then you can start deporting people. Stop treating libertarianism like its a religion and start looking at the facts .

The "browner" this country gets the less liberty there will be. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but for the most part the only people who care about liberty and limited gov are white people, and the less of them that make up the electorate the lesser the chances are that we have liberty minded candidates elected . The way things are going now the US could easily turn into a one party rule nation similar to California by 2050

Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico are all bastions of liberty. heh.

 

[erowe1]

There's a few things, end birthright citizenship, cut off services for illegals, put in place stiff punishments for people who hire illegals , and then you can start deporting people. Stop treating libertarianism like its a religion and start looking at the facts .

The "browner" this country gets the less liberty there will be. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but for the most part the only people who care about liberty and limited gov are white people, and the less of them that make up the electorate the lesser the chances are that we have liberty minded candidates elected . The way things are going now the US could easily turn into a one party rule nation similar to California by 2050

I'm with you on everything except deporting people and the brownness issue.

 

[Southron]

Yup. Liberty ain't coming from south of the border. That's for sure. Only tyranny.

You mean you dont want a government like those in Mexico and Central America?

What about their rich traditions in llimited government? Surely the people will bring those with them.

 

[fisharmor]

Maybe if it's not affecting where you live you are out touch.

Well, I DO live in the same state as those two, and it's not affecting where I live.
Maybe if Texas was as permissive with its gun rights as Virginia it wouldn't be a problem there either.
Because you know, I hate to say it, but they aren't.

No Rule of Law = no liberty. In this, opposing illegal immigration is a vital interest of all libertarians - even if they support open borders in principle.

(Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. )

Ok, Mr. Rule of Law, what part of the US Constitution and/or the English language are you going to torture into supporting restrictions on immigration today?

Let's do have this conversation for the hundredth time here. Maybe this time you all can convince me that it says something it clearly doesn't say.

I wonder if Cuccinelli's run had something to do with it, as well.

Cooch is a dirtbag prosecutor who made a career ruining people's lives on technicalities.
He openly supported sodomy laws not because he's anti-gay, but specifically to have an extra law on the books to use to throw people in jail whom he didn't like.
This is a matter of public record and he actually set up a campaign website for the sole purpose of illuminating us all to these facts.

I think the liberty movement should start actually supporting liberty minded people. The "conservatives" that supported Cooch are the same "conservatives" that have no moral problem with cops that tie people up to chairs and pepper spray them to death, because, you know, they're cops.
Cooch lost because there are enough people here who can actually read between the lines to throw an election. And for no other reason.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Illegal "immigration" - and I would contest that the word immigration is appropriate here - is a basic Rule of Law issue. It is one thing to argue that the laws should be changed; it is quite another to discard entirely the idea of it, along with ideas like national sovereignty and self-governance.

What has been happening in the mass movement of people from Central America in particular is not immigration, but colonization. Immigration implies an intent to assimilate, and that intent is not present.

Ron Paul noted that while open borders may be the ideal, it is not possible in practice as long as the US maintains a welfare state.

If you are for open borders while a welfare state is in place, you are not helping the cause of liberty. The welfare incentives must go first, then we can open borders. And when that time comes, and we do open borders, we will get a very different kind of immigrant with a completely different set of expectations than the people who are arriving today.

+ rep

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt.

Does it really need to be said that the evisceration of the middle class will ultimately cause prices to drop everywhere but at your local Rolls Royce/Bentley dealer?

Really?



People with balls don't straddle fences.

For obvious reasons.

I am not an economist, so I really do not feel informed enough to take a position although I agree with both positions.

 

[AuH20]

You mean you dont want a government like those in Mexico and Central America?

What about their rich traditions in llimited government? Surely the people will bring those with them.

The same people demanding citizenship and pleading for government services? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Carlybee]

It's not just an immigration issue..it's a national security issue when there are thousands of criminals pouring into the country every day. Something you would never see on any border but the southern border.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

There's something seriously wrong with you if you don't think we need to stop immigration from Mexico

There's something seriously wrong with you if you want to continue to steal my money and tell me who I can and can't interact with on my own property.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

It's not just an immigration issue..it's a national security issue when there are thousands of criminals pouring into the country every day. Something you would never see on any border but the southern border.

You mean like the criminals who have the freedom to move from Chicago and Detroit to anywhere else in the country? Guess you better pay for walls and checkpoints around those cities.

 

[fisharmor]

NIU, I regret that I have only one rep to give.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but for the most part the only people who care about liberty and limited gov are white people

You mean like the same freedom loving white people that got behind Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush? White Power!

 

[Pericles]

Cantor also defends NSA data collecting, while Brat calls it a violation of the 4th ammendment.
…another vote for Amash's amendment.

That and gun control and any number of other issues. The problem with DC wannabes is the rapid loss of perspectives on reality.