Cantor, Brat, and the immigration issue....

[erowe1]

Illegal "immigration" - and I would contest that the word immigration is appropriate here - is a basic Rule of Law issue. It is one thing to argue that the laws should be changed; it is quite another to discard entirely the idea of it, along with ideas like national sovereignty and self-governance.

No, it's not another thing. It's the same thing.

If manmade laws restricting immigration are wrong (i.e. if they violate the Creator's laws), then disobeying them is not wrong. If you believe those manmade laws are wrong, and if you believe in the rule of law, as you say, then you positively must not support enforcing those manmade laws.

 

[eduardo89]

You're out of touch just like Rand.

Black youth unemployment is 30 percent. Hispanic is over 20 percent, but Rand wants to import millions of new unskilled uneducated people so big business and big agriculture can have cheap labor.

Immigration will doom Rand. He's out of touch with working class people.

I have never heard Rand say he wants to import any unskilled labour. What Rand has said is that those inside the US should be given temporary work visas. They're here anyway, they aren't going to be deported, so let's give them temporary work visas.

 

[Matt Collins]

The idea we let millions cross the border and start giving them access to my wallet flies in the face of reason. We have a huge income transfer mechanism in place in this country and only blithering idiots think open borders are a liberty issue.

You are confusing immigration with welfare; the two are not the same.

 

[Matt Collins]

Unbridled immigration keeps wages down and destroys the middle class.

Yes, but low wages also means lower prices.

 

[Matt Collins]

(Oh, but wait, let me guess: Raimondo's just a flake and doesn't bear being paid any attention. Amirite?)

Precisely.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I wonder if Cuccinelli's run had something to do with it, as well.

Cantor and his minions did everything they could do to sink his campaign. If I lived in Virginia, and were a conservative, I'd be pretty pissed that my state is turning blue with all the D.C. transplants, and yet one of my own congressmen wouldn't even come out to help keep the governor's office.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Why should we think that Brat did not win due to any issues other than illegal immigration?
Who is telling you that Brat did not win "over an issue other than illegal immigration" ... ?

[Raimondo quote]

(Oh, but wait, let me guess: Raimondo's just a flake and doesn't bear being paid any attention. Amirite?)

(Oh, but wait, let me guess: Raimondo's just a flake and doesn't bear being paid any attention. Amirite?)

Precisely.

LOL I knew you would avoid answering the other questions I asked in favor of playing into the "easy shot" I offered with the rhetorical parenthetical.

*sigh* You're just too predictable, Matt ...

 

[William R]

People can be out of work and there can also be labor shortages in specific fields. Stop looking at economic matters from a macro perspective.

When there's a labor shortage wages begin to rise. Incomes have been stagnant for the bottom 2/3rds of the country for 30+ years. Some of that is due to greater benefits like employer provided health inaurance, but immigration is the largest driving factor. We are not selective in who we admit. Immigration should work for the country not for the privileged few. Year after year the country has been flooded by unskilled uneducated people. Who cares about our working class?? The public schools their kids attend. Hospitals going broke due to free care for illegals. Mass immigration with a welfare state is insanity.

A rising tide should lift all boats, but these days only the top one percenters like me are really getting ahead. Big house on a beautiful lake, another house in Breckenridge Colorado.

 

[mosquitobite]

This is what I see - the establishment conservatives want to paint it as an immigration issue. This is an easy sound bite reasoning that they can use on talk radio.

They want absolutely NOTHING reported on how they pissed off grassroots conservatives. Stuff like that might infect the heartland.

 

[AuH20]

The republicans have become corporate creatures and this illegal immigration sellout is proof positive of it. When you become a willing accomplice to the deep state, massage Wall Street and kowtow to Silicon Valley, then you have some major issues.

 

[eduardo89]

Unbridled immigration keeps wages down and destroys the middle class.

Not true.

 

[thoughtomator]

No, it's not another thing. It's the same thing.

If manmade laws restricting immigration are wrong (i.e. if they violate the Creator's laws), then disobeying them is not wrong. If you believe those manmade laws are wrong, and if you believe in the rule of law, as you say, then you positively must not support enforcing those manmade laws.

Again, it's a completely different animal if a citizen defies a bad law. When the government itself decides what laws it will and will not enforce, the Rule of Law and all its protections disappear and we have an in-fact despotism instead of a Constitutional government.

 

[erowe1]

Again, it's a completely different animal if a citizen defies a bad law. When the government itself decides what laws it will and will not enforce, the Rule of Law and all its protections disappear and we have an in-fact despotism instead of a Constitutional government.

The rule of law does not entail having the government enforce unjust laws. An unjust law is no law at all. The government is positively obligated not to enforce those laws. To do so would violate the rule of law. Whether or not someone has some manmade label of "citizen" is irrelevant.

 

[BamaAla]

The rule of law does not entail having the government enforce unjust laws. An unjust law is no law at all. The government is positively obligated not to enforce those laws. To do so would violate the rule of law. Whether or not someone has some manmade label of "citizen" is irrelevant.

I think you just made that up. Either way, it makes zero sense.

 

[rpfocus]

You're out of touch just like Rand.

Black youth unemployment is 30 percent. Hispanic is over 20 percent, but Rand wants to import millions of new unskilled uneducated people so big business and big agriculture can have cheap labor.

Immigration will doom Rand. He's out of touch with working class people.

+ Rep

 

[rpfocus]

We have thousands of illegal immigrant criminals streaming into Texas every week if not every day. ICE is effectively doing nothing. My son has a Friend from Belgium who lived and worked here for 10 years and got a PH.d from Rice. Because she was considered overqualified for the job she had, immigration would not renew her visa and she had to leave the country. That was going through the legal channels. Who deserves to stay more? Meanwhile crime here is off the chart and our city is being filled with Latino gangs and cartel members and some want to give them a stay in the country free card. Maybe if it's not affecting where you live you are out touch.

Yep, if you live in a border state, it's a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY! We've already seen what's coming to the rest of the country while they are being complacent. They won't change their views until their hospitals start closing down, and their schools become 70+ percent Latino. Then they'll want to do something about it. By that time we'll be living in Aztlan. And if you think Aztlan isn't on the agenda, tell that to MEChA.

 

[rpfocus]

It would be nice if we could have open borders, however with the current entitlement state its a recipe for disaster.

Open borders nice? Well as long as they go straight to your house I don't have a problem with it. Otherwise, no effin thanks.

 

[erowe1]

I think you just made that up. Either way, it makes zero sense.

Nope. I'm not the originator of that idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_iniusta_non_est_lex

See also Martin Luther King's Letter from a Birmingham Jail.

 

[acptulsa]

Matt.

Does it really need to be said that the evisceration of the middle class will ultimately cause prices to drop everywhere but at your local Rolls Royce/Bentley dealer?

Really?

I agree with both positions.

People with balls don't straddle fences.

For obvious reasons.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

There's something seriously wrong with you if you don't think we need to stop immigration from Mexico