California: Judge orders homeschoolers into government education

[nate895]

What kind of stuff do they teach her that require a differing viewpoint?

I am almost 100% convinced you are a communist and/or fascist.

 

[clouds]

What do they teach in school, period

 

[Mini-Me]

What kind of stuff do they teach her that require a differing viewpoint?

That the Ninth Grade Proficiency Tests are somehow so difficult that instead of being a requirement to pass the ninth grade, they're now merely required to pass the twelfth? Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[pinkmandy]

In VA we take a standardized test each year for homeschoolers as an option but the kids only have to score in the 38th percentile to show "progress". Why such a ridiculously low number you ask? Because they can't require the homeschoolers do better than what is considered acceptable in VA public schools.

Nate, ITA. Liberal fascist imo.

 

[angelatc]

I don't blame them, homeschooling is often abused by parents to resist tolerance teaching.

"Tolerance teaching" is probably the scariest thing about the public school systems.

Other people have a right to hold different values.

Instilling your values in your own children is *not* "abuse."

 

[angelatc]

What kind of stuff do they teach her that require a differing viewpoint?

Ever read "Rainbow Fish?"

 

[heartless]

you mean the shiny scales one?

 

[TC95]

best thing is to just put him on the good old ignore list...

Thanks for the tip.

 

[TrueFreedom]

Maybe if people would have read the case they would understand why this ruling took place. I mean one of the children was claiming abuse from the parents and they were using homeschooling to suppress it. Plus where exactly is your constitutional right to homeschool? And anyway, the case doesn't make any kind of constitutional statement, it just says if your state has complusatory education laws, which California does, then you have to follow them. And the Supreme Court ruled compusl. education laws are constitutional. Not sure what ya'll are arguing here........

 

[TrueFreedom]

Also, the parents themselves screwed this up, don't blame the government here....

"The parents in the instant case have asserted in a declaration that it is because of their “sincerely held religious beliefs” that they home school their children and those religious beliefs “are based on Biblical teachings and principles.” Even if the parents' declaration had been signed under penalty of perjury, which it was not, those assertions are not the quality of evidence that permits us to say that application of California's compulsory public school education law to them violates their First Amendment rights. Their statements are conclusional, not factually specific. Moreover, such sparse representations are too easily asserted by any parent who wishes to home school his or her child."

The court basically said, (1) make a signed statement; (2) detail your religious objections to public school, and you might have won. They didn't, and thus they lost.

 

[pinkmandy]

Abuse is NOT a factor in homeschooling. Using hschooling to cover it up? No, that doesn't fly. If that were an acceptable argument against homeschooling then you are saying that during summer vacation the govt has a right to force kids into another govt institution where they can be monitored for fear of abuse.

The day the state can PROVE that their brand of education is superior and can GUARANTEE no abuse takes place in school I will then consider sending them. Until then they need to butt out. Those who live in glass houses and all....

 

[Tdcci]

It is so a factor. Christian Parents are unaccountable tyrannies. At least the government can be monitored, and if there is abuse going on, the government employees can be fired or switched.

 

[TrueFreedom]

Abuse is NOT a factor in homeschooling. Using hschooling to cover it up? No, that doesn't fly. If that were an acceptable argument against homeschooling then you are saying that during summer vacation the govt has a right to force kids into another govt institution where they can be monitored for fear of abuse.

The day the state can PROVE that their brand of education is superior and can GUARANTEE no abuse takes place in school I will then consider sending them. Until then they need to butt out. Those who live in glass houses and all....

Yeah that's a pretty ignorant statement. Read the California State Law on this........

 

[pinkmandy]

It is so a factor. Christian Parents are unaccountable tyrannies. At least the government can be monitored, and if there is abuse going on, the government employees can be fired or switched.

Why are you even here? Seriously? You can monitor the govt? Fire teachers? You have done little to no research on the bureaucracy of public schooling (including the purpose of mass schooling per the very people who pushed it on our society) or the history of the institution. You look like an uneducated fool making such statements.

Sounds like you need a reading list.

NEA: Trojan Horse of American Education
Dumbing Us Down
Why Johnny Can't Read
Why Johnny STILL Can't Read

Once you've worked through those let me know. I can suggest some more. I'd also suggest doing some research on abuse in public schools and policies on dealing with abuse, especially on the lack of information sharing and reporting between state licensing boards.

 

[pinkmandy]

Yeah that's a pretty ignorant statement. Read the California State Law on this........

What? My statements are FAR from ignorant. I'm very knowledgeable on the ins and outs of homeschooling. The LAWS are ignorant as are those who don't question them.

The idiotic assumption that Christian parents are the only people who homeschool is ignorant as is the assumption that children were born to be indoctrinated by the state as opposed to learning the values of their own parents. You guys are seriously hopeless. Your public schools did a FANTASTIC job.

 

[TrueFreedom]

What? My statements are FAR from ignorant. I'm very knowledgeable on the ins and outs of homeschooling. The LAWS are ignorant as are those who don't question them.

The idiotic assumption that Christian parents are the only people who homeschool is ignorant as is the assumption that children were born to be indoctrinated by the state as opposed to learning the values of their own parents. You guys are seriously hopeless. Your public schools did a FANTASTIC job.

Ok, well if you want to argue that the LAWS are ignorant, be my guest. But you admit you are incorrect when you admit they are LAWS.

As far as you trying to state that I assume that Christians educating their children is ignorant is only a misrepresentation of facts. I never once stated that, I personally believe that no one should be discriminated against due to religion. However, if your state has compulsatory education laws, you must either follow them or move. You don't like the law? Fine. But just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal. And again, where do you get this constitutional right to homeschool from??

 

[pinkmandy]

Ok, well if you want to argue that the LAWS are ignorant, be my guest. But you admit you are incorrect when you admit they are LAWS.

As far as you trying to state that I assume that Christians educating their children is ignorant is only a misrepresentation of facts. I never once stated that, I personally believe that no one should be discriminated against due to religion. However, if your state has compulsatory education laws, you must either follow them or move. You don't like the law? Fine. But just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal. And again, where do you get this constitutional right to homeschool from??

I admit I am incorrect? No. The laws are based on ignorance and those who blindly follow them without question (as opposed to trying to change them like a RP repub would do or practicing civil disobedience) are ignorant. You, my friend, are ignorant. You are trapped in your box and I'm not sure why you are on these forums. Strike that, I know why.

This entire thread has made gross assumptions about homeschooling, esp Christian homeschooling. I've stayed out of most of it because I've found the anti-homeschooling arguments to be glaringly misinformed- based on stereotypes, not research.

And where do I get the right to homeschool? Are you kidding? Do you think compulsory education laws are constitutional? They aren't that's why EVERY state has to provide for exemptions. That's the only way they get by with it. Did the founders go to public school? Did they send their kids to public school? NO.

Seriously, if you aren't trolls I apologize for being so harsh but you REALLY need to research this stuff before posting because it's hard to take you seriously even. The public education rabbit hole is deep.

 

[TrueFreedom]

I admit I am incorrect? No. The laws are based on ignorance and those who blindly follow them without question (as opposed to trying to change them like a RP repub would do or practicing civil disobedience) are ignorant. You, my friend, are ignorant. You are trapped in your box and I'm not sure why you are on these forums. Strike that, I know why.

This entire thread has made gross assumptions about homeschooling, esp Christian homeschooling. I've stayed out of most of it because I've found the anti-homeschooling arguments to be glaringly misinformed- based on stereotypes, not research.

And where do I get the right to homeschool? Are you kidding? Do you think compulsory education laws are constitutional? They aren't that's why EVERY state has to provide for exemptions. That's the only way they get by with it. Did the founders go to public school? Did they send their kids to public school? NO.

Seriously, if you aren't trolls I apologize for being so harsh but you REALLY need to research this stuff before posting because it's hard to take you seriously even. The public education rabbit hole is deep.

Do I think compulsory education laws are constitutional? Yes I do. And the Supreme Court agrees with me. Plus since education is a state issue, I don't see why Ron Paul and his supporters on a national level would have anything to say about it.

 

[pinkmandy]

Btw, arguing with veteran, educated homeschoolers who have spent years studying the public education model is like knowing nothing about Austrian economics and trying to convince Ron Paul that fiat money is the way to go. Visualize that scenario and then you'll understand how you guys look in this thread.

 

[TrueFreedom]

Btw, arguing with veteran, educated homeschoolers who have spent years studying the public education model is like knowing nothing about Austrian economics and trying to convince Ron Paul that fiat money is the way to go. Visualize that scenario and then you'll understand how you guys look in this thread.

Good job avoiding the issue.