California: Judge orders homeschoolers into government education

[Mini-Me]

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Judges, the supreme interpreters of the Constitution have decided otherwise. It IS constitutional

I seriously hope that's a joke. Judges can be intellectually dishonest, manipulative statist assholes just like anyone else...and in fact, most currently are.
The Constitution is "open to interpretation," but only within the confines of its wording. The whole "interpretive" aspect of the Supreme Court is to interpret ambiguous phrases that need to be qualified by some level of judgment, such as "cruel or unusual punishment."

I replied to one of your posts on the second page, I believe...I'm still working my way through this thread. I will give you one thing: Some of the people you've been debating with have not exactly done a service to the cause of homeschooling, and their personal attacks on you are obviously unwarranted. They're speaking out of anger and outrage at your position...personally, I think they'd be much more effective if they only comprised their posts of well-founded logic and reason, rather than insults, but...they are in fact on the right side of this debate, language skills or lack thereof notwithstanding.

The key issue here is not tolerance vs. intolerance. On that issue, I side with you.
The key issue here is whether or not the state should have the coercive authority to force indoctrination on children against their parents' wishes. I sincerely hope that, once you understand that forced public education is a danger not only to religious dissidents but to dissidents of ALL kinds, you will come down on the right side of this.


EDIT: Ahhh, I just noticed the post previous to this - now I see that you were playing devil's advocate. In that case, game on!

 

[Tdcci]

That's a little unfair, granting chruches that accept homosexuality sanity. If a church accepts homosexual marriage, I guess it should be recognized by the state. As long as it's not up to the state to make the decision, because that would definitely be unconstitutional.

If you mean the First Amendment, specifically the part about Congress making no law respecting the establishment of any religion, I don't think that extends to what the religion produces, whether it be charitable items or marriage certificates. States already do this, somewhat, by giving churches the power to create marriage certificates, because they are private they can get away with discriminating against gays while the government can't. It is very sinister.

 

[danberkeley]

If you mean the First Amendment, specifically the part about Congress making no law respecting the establishment of any religion, I don't think that extends to what the religion produces.

Are you serious? The first Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ...

You're a joke... and an octopus (running gag).

 

[Tdcci]

Are you serious? The first Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ...

You're a joke... and an octopus (running gag).

What does "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" mean in this context? The State refusing to recognize a certain church's marriage is not prohibiting free exercise.

 

[clouds]

it's not sinister at all. They have the right to accept and reject what goes on on their property in regards to this kind of stuff. You have the right to try and change the church people's minds, but any law that you would want enforced would be a violation of property rights.

 

[Tdcci]

it's not sinister at all. They have the right to accept and reject what goes on on their property in regards to this kind of stuff. You have the right to try and change the church people's minds, but any law that you would want enforced would be a violation of property rights.

What's sinister is the State bypassing the Constitution by outsourcing essential services to private businesses. I didn't say in that post that the church not accepting same sex marriage was sinister (even though I do believe that)

 

[clouds]

how is marriage an essential service?

 

[Tdcci]

how is marriage an essential service?

it grants you a whole slew of rights you simply cannot get otherwise

 

[LEK]

I don't blame them, homeschooling is often abused by parents to resist tolerance teaching.

Not this parent...

 

[Tdcci]

Not this parent...

That's why I didn't use an absolute qualifier.

 

[LEK]

As if we need any more proof- we have a country voting for McCain because they want out of the war, for Obama because they want "change", and Hillary because she's a caring woman and Bill was so great. All the while our country is bankrupt and they all want to spend more money. People today are STUPID. They are, most people acknowlege America is not so bright anymore yet they somehow refuse to look at the sacred cow of public schooling. It's mind boggling.

Rock on fellow HS'ing mom...+1 and then some.

 

[danberkeley]

Because Government is part of that society, and can do extremely good or bad things to help advance society. It can help advance the science and the arts, by subsidizing it, or it can hinder science and the arts by taxing it.

You responded to my response but you attributed the quote to the wrong person. Anyway, all the great colleges of this country have been privately founded and mostly by CHURCHES. Examples: Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Brown, Cornell, Datmouth, Princeton, CalTech, MIT, Notre Dame, BYU, et cetera. Even the great public colleges, such as University of California, Berkeley, were privately founded.

 

[nate895]

Christian hate and violence? Do you mean teaching children that God forbids homosexuality?

That is not “hate”…..

Why don’t you grab all the parents that follow your pagan god and make a little Gomorrah School to tech your kind whatever you want.


Leave Christian kids alone because they belong to God. You pervert pedophile.

Don't worry about Tddci, he hasn't ever been to church, otherwise I am sure he would have noticed that someone said welcome while smiling, there was free coffee, and then everyone shakes your hand when they meet you, and that they care how your week went, and so on and so forth.

 

[danberkeley]

What's sinister is the State bypassing the Constitution by outsourcing essential services to private businesses. I didn't say in that post that the church not accepting same sex marriage was sinister (even though I do believe that)

What "essential services" are you talking about?

 

[Tdcci]

What "essential services" are you talking about?

If you don't know which service, see the post I quoted in that reply.
If you don't think it's essential, see my last post.

 

[aravoth]

That's why I didn't use an absolute qualifier.

You are a head case.

 

[Mesogen]

I guess this means that the state owns your children.

 

[Mesogen]

Wow, the deliberate dumbing down book is free!

How the hell do you get 736 pages into 6.75MB? Amazing.

 

[RSLudlum]

My daughter goes to public school but i make it a point to know what/how she's being taught and if necessary (quite often) I present her a differing viewpoint.

 

[Tdcci]

My daughter goes to public school but i make it a point to know what/how she's being taught and if necessary (quite often) I present her a differing viewpoint.

What kind of stuff do they teach her that require a differing viewpoint?