CA - Candidate for US Senate proposes $50 hour minimum wage.

I never liked the argument that raising the minimum wage caused inflation. The Fed causes inflation. The wages raise to match it. Arguing that raising the minimum wage a buck or two causes inflation takes the attention off the Fed, makes the Democrats look charitable, and conservatives/libertarians look like grumps.

While you're correct we must never take our eye off the ball -- the Federal Reserve -- there is an entire ecosystem surrounding the Fed, which is basically the Swamp + the useful-idiot Left (the morons calling for things like $50 MW). These two work together, because the Fed by itself would be politically vulnerable. So, it needs to surround itself with a very robust crowd of devotees and sycophants, even if most people in that crowd have no idea what exactly they are devoted to or who is calling the shots. All they really know is that they put loyalty in to the System, and they get goodies out of the System.

In a central banking fiat-money economy, the central bank is far and away the primary cause of inflation. But there are many contributory causes of inflation. Obviously, raising the MW contributes to inflation. Raising MW is an interventionist measure, and so it is clear that interventions are what actually make the problem of inflation even worse. The market is constantly moving toward supply-demand equilibrium, that's the only thing it really knows how to do. The interventionists take some drastic measure like massively raising the MW, then they want to blame the market for trying to arbitrage the drastic change they just made. But that's the only thing the market ever really does. "Greedy corporations are raising their prices, causing inflation!" Well, they couldn't raise the prices prior to the MW hike, and they were just as "greedy and evil" prior to that change as they are today. So, the only variable that has disrupted the prior ceteris paribus in the market is the MW hike itself. Obviously, then, it is the MW which is contributing to the rise in prices after an MW hike. MW increases are an exacerbating factor riding on top of inflation caused by central-bank money-printing.
 
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While you're correct we must never take our eye off the ball -- the Federal Reserve -- there is an entire ecosystem surrounding the Fed, which is basically the Swamp + the useful-idiot Left (the morons calling for things like $50 MW). These two work together, because the Fed by itself would be politically vulnerable. So, it needs to surround itself with a very robust crowd of devotees and sycophants, even if most people in that crowd have no idea what exactly they are devoted to or who is calling the shots. All they really know is that they put loyalty in to the System, and they get goodies out of the System.

In a central banking fiat-money economy, the central bank is far and away the primary cause of inflation. But there are many contributory causes of inflation. Obviously, raising the MW contributes to inflation. Raising MW is an interventionist measure, and so it is clear that interventions are what actually make the problem of inflation even worse. The market is constantly moving toward supply-demand equilibrium, that's the only thing it really knows how to do. The interventionists take some drastic measure like massively raising the MW, then they want to blame the market for trying to arbitrage the drastic change they just made. But that's the only thing the market ever really does. "Greedy corporations are raising their prices, causing inflation!" Well, they couldn't raise the prices prior to the MW hike, and they were just as "greedy and evil" prior to that change as they are today. So, the only variable that has disrupted the prior ceteris paribus in the market is the MW hike itself. Obviously, then, it is the MW which is contributing to the rise in prices after an MW hike. MW increases are an exacerbating factor riding on top of inflation caused by central-bank money-printing.

+rep to you, sir. I was just coming here to put it much more ham-fistedly... I was merely going to say that raising the MW is like drilling a hand sized hole in an overflowing dam, sticking your finger in said hand sized hole and then looking around at everyone and saying, "look! I'm doing something!"
 
The thing is, by the time they raised the minimum wage, most of the lowest wage earners made far more than the new minimum wage already. Raising the wage a buck or two every decade or so only kept up with inflation. It was basically virtue signalling by the democrats because it's a worthless gesture. It's why ZippyJuan and The Count would post studies showing that past rate hikes didn't affect inflation (this was a few years ago when studies actually were somewht scientific). The democarats acted like they were raising the wages but really, the market based minimum wage was already higher than the law enforced minimum wage. I think they knew what they were doing. The dems looked good with the working class. They didn't help them, but they didn't hurt the economy that much either

That's when they raised it a buck or two every decade or so. Now a lot of places are doubling it or more. These places are are hurting because of it. I think they still know what they are doing Before they were just fattening us. Now, we are at the point where they are gutting this country.

This is where we are at. Davy is the U.S. The Sopranos are the banks.

While you're correct we must never take our eye off the ball -- the Federal Reserve -- there is an entire ecosystem surrounding the Fed, which is basically the Swamp + the useful-idiot Left (the morons calling for things like $50 MW). These two work together, because the Fed by itself would be politically vulnerable. So, it needs to surround itself with a very robust crowd of devotees and sycophants, even if most people in that crowd have no idea what exactly they are devoted to or who is calling the shots. All they really know is that they put loyalty in to the System, and they get goodies out of the System.

In a central banking fiat-money economy, the central bank is far and away the primary cause of inflation. But there are many contributory causes of inflation. Obviously, raising the MW contributes to inflation. Raising MW is an interventionist measure, and so it is clear that interventions are what actually make the problem of inflation even worse. The market is constantly moving toward supply-demand equilibrium, that's the only thing it really knows how to do. The interventionists take some drastic measure like massively raising the MW, then they want to blame the market for trying to arbitrage the drastic change they just made. But that's the only thing the market ever really does. "Greedy corporations are raising their prices, causing inflation!" Well, they couldn't raise the prices prior to the MW hike, and they were just as "greedy and evil" prior to that change as they are today. So, the only variable that has disrupted the prior ceteris paribus in the market is the MW hike itself. Obviously, then, it is the MW which is contributing to the rise in prices after an MW hike. MW increases are an exacerbating factor riding on top of inflation caused by central-bank money-printing.
 
The thing is, by the time they raised the minimum wage, most of the lowest wage earners made far more than the new minimum wage already. Raising the wage a buck or two every decade or so only kept up with inflation. It was basically virtue signalling by the democrats because it's a worthless gesture. It's why ZippyJuan and The Count would post studies showing that past rate hikes didn't affect inflation (this was a few years ago when studies actually were somewht scientific). The democarats acted like they were raising the wages but really, the market based minimum wage was already higher than the law enforced minimum wage. I think they knew what they were doing. The dems looked good with the working class. They didn't help them, but they didn't hurt the economy that much either

That's when they raised it a buck or two every decade or so. Now a lot of places are doubling it or more. These places are are hurting because of it. I think they still know what they are doing Before they were just fattening us. Now, we are at the point where they are gutting this country.

This is where we are at. Davy is the U.S. The Sopranos are the banks.


It's 100 percent accurate that raising the MW does not effect inflation. What effects inflation is an increase in the money supply - more money chasing after the same or fewer number of goods at an increased price due to the diminished return in the value of the local currency. Increasing the MW is always reactionary - they mandate labor rate increases because it is politically expedient, not because it helps the constituency... they're a day late, and LITERALLY a dollar (or more) short.
 
The thing is, by the time they raised the minimum wage, most of the lowest wage earners made far more than the new minimum wage already. Raising the wage a buck or two every decade or so only kept up with inflation. It was basically virtue signalling by the democrats because it's a worthless gesture.

Sure. The MW, like all internentionist measures, is either useless or harmful. It either has no effect on the economy (useless) or it prevents legitimate economic activity that makes all of our lives better (harmful). The MW is an "unbacked price-floor". Since the government does not buy up the surplus labor caused by the over-pricing of low-skill labor, the only real effect of the MW is merely to ban completely legitimate employment/work that would have been voluntarily performed between $0 and $MW, but for the MW. This ban does not benefit customers, if anything, it can only raise prices. It does not benefit businesses, if anything, it can only narrow profit margins. And it does not benefit workers since the only effect it has is to prevent people who would have voluntarily taken a job paying somewhere between $0 and $MW from doing so. Thus, the only people who profit from the MW are the political demagogues on the platform waving to the crowd under bright-lights, kissing babies and self-congratulating themselves for "raising the minimum wage".

There are a tiny number of people whose work-value is just marginally above $MW (not profitable to fire them) but who were earning just below $MW (but not much below, since then they would have just gone to work elsewhere and gotten a pay-raise) prior to the MW hike. This tiny number of people genuinely benefit from the MW-increase in the sense in which the MW is proposed to the public. But the total social costs of the MW, when properly accounted, are staggering. Devastating your economy for the benefit of a tiny handful of workers who were "underpaid" by $0.50/hr. is utter insanity. Some of the biggest lobbyists for the MW are the unions, which is odd when you think about it. They bill it out as though they are just generally representing "all" workers, but they specifically don't, that's what a union is all about! So, why all of this interest in MW workers? It is because a high MW "saws through the bottom rungs of the ladder", meaning, it makes it harder for young workers to acquire the skills that highly-skilled union workers currently have. In turn, this makes those skills even more scarce, and generally helps pad the high wages of union workers. Thus, unions are some of the strongest proponents of MW laws even though no union worker has ever earned a MW, and no MW-worker has ever been part of a union, in fact, they are among the very "rate-busters" which unions are willing to violently attack!!

PS: This is basically the cliff's notes of the chapter on MW in Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.

PPS: Another way to understand the distorting effect of the MW is to look at it from the perspective of someone in an entry-level position who has just gotten their first raise. You were hired at MW, you put in a year of work, and you got promoted and now you are making MW+$2. Awesome. Recent newhires are making $2 less than you are today, however, a MW law gets passed and they will now be making what you are making, despite only being on the job for a few weeks. Now, granted, your boss will likely give you a raise next year, but will it be the full $2 (actually for parity, it needs to be based on ratio, so slightly more than $2). Probably not. Not to mention, you're now 2 years in, rather than just 1 year. Thus, those who are slightly experienced, and earning just above MW, are among the people who are injured the worst by the MW. And note the irony that these are the very people that MW-campaigners often hold up as examples of the people they claim to be helping. Sorry mate, giving my less experienced coworkers a $2 pay raise and wiping out the $2 difference that I've worked for a year or two to earn through promotions isn't helping me, it's slapping me in the face for my diligence...
 
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ClaytonB, all basically true, but we need to consider, and/or remember WHY the Fed was able to weasel its way into the government.
We need to understand the real problems with Big Capital and the over-financialization of life and labor, and of commerce and business transactions.

Those irregularities, those economic blowups and purges, they are part-and-parcel of the capitalist system, especially when it is based upon debt and banks, even if the currency is sound, the concentration of power in money is a painful and parasitical process of iniquity, layering unnecessary costs and implementing usury and abuse.

It was the crisis of 1907 that made the Fed alternative appear safer than unabashed capitalism. Then, after the Fed got instituted, it was the 1929 crash that ushered in a further degredation of currency's nature. Fast forward, to the abolition of Glass-Steagall and the continuing crises and consolidations, now, there is no way out, not as long as people want money for nothing, gain without labor, and power without popular assent.
 
ClaytonB, all basically true, but we need to consider, and/or remember WHY the Fed was able to weasel its way into the government.
We need to understand the real problems with Big Capital and the over-financialization of life and labor, and of commerce and business transactions.

Those irregularities, those economic blowups and purges, they are part-and-parcel of the capitalist system, especially when it is based upon debt and banks, even if the currency is sound, the concentration of power in money is a painful and parasitical process of iniquity, layering unnecessary costs and implementing usury and abuse.

This is standard Marxist-Keynesian word-salad. Complete gibberish. It is true that ups-and-downs are part of a healthy free-market. But the Fed does not "stabilize" anything except the revenues of the parasitic class (the State and its private-sector henchmen). Its actions have only ever created booms and busts of far greater magnitude than up-and-down-swings in a healthy free market.



It was the crisis of 1907 that made the Fed alternative appear safer than unabashed capitalism.

This is a baseless claim and won't fly on RPF. The Fed was created to -- repeat it with me -- PRINT. MONEY. The Fed is just the most recent, most prolific, most powerful and geographically largest evolution of the ancient practice of currency devaluation practiced by kings and emperors from the time that currency first came into use for trade. Every major autocrat in history has devalued the money, and the history of empires is the history of monetary devaluation from the mists of pre-history to the present day. The power to print money is the power to corrupt the balance-scales not just in one transaction but over almost all transactions in an economy (all except pure-barter transactions). It is a wickedness of unimaginable scale, it is manifestly evil, and it is a black stain on the religious authorities from ancient times to the present day that this has not been called out for the daylight robbery that it is. I hope for their sakes that this silence has been merely due to economic ignorance and incompetence because it is the basis of the single greatest and longest-running property crime, ever. It is the biggest heist, EVER. If anything, this is an understatement and any softer language is just euphemism and false rationalization.

Then, after the Fed got instituted, it was the 1929 crash that ushered in a further degredation of currency's nature.

This is the dumbest thing I've read since Biden last opened his mouth. The Fed had printed an ocean of cash prior to the 1929 stock-market crash. The Fed then made matters worse though monetary contraction -- a risk which, today, is even greater than it was at that time, as proved by the 2008 housing collapse. Large, artificial disruptions in the money supply is something that can only be done by an institution like the Fed with a monopoly on the money supply. That the Fed can either contract or expand the money supply doesn't change the fact that these violent monetary movements contrary to the market demand for cash-balances are inherently evil. The Fed normally operates in expansionary policy. The threat of an intentional deflationary collapse is a Sword of Damocles it is perversely able to hold over the heads of the Congress. The creature now rules the creator.

Fast forward, to the abolition of Glass-Steagall and the continuing crises and consolidations, now, there is no way out, not as long as people want money for nothing, gain without labor, and power without popular assent.

Nonsense. The Fed is a criminal racket, nothing more or less. The only obstacle to an overnight return to normalcy is the names/addresses of the inner Cabal. If they were to be simultaneously rounded up and thrown in the Federal pen, and all future expansion/contraction of the money supply were to be ceased forthwith, there would be no deleterious effects to the economy and, in fact, once awareness began to spread that the Fed's manipulations and machinations had been effectively abolished, the economy would immediately begin an unprecedented, stable, secular growth in all sectors, simultaneously. We are seeing a living experiment in this regard play out in Argentina right now. The Argentinian economy is doing the precise opposite of every prediction of the central-bank/fiat-money apologists like yourself.

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Rep. Barbara Lee defeated in California Senate primary
After more than a quarter century of advocating for progressive values in the House, Rep. Barbara Lee will leave Congress in January after losing her bid for Senate.
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Lee’s Senate run received the backing of several powerful groups on the left, including the California Working Families Party and the Congressional Black Caucus PAC, but she could never find her lane in a race dominated by two of her fellow House Democrats — Reps. Katie Porter and Adam B. Schiff — who both had national platforms and far bigger campaign accounts.

“She’s a very principled person but her base of support is narrow,” said Jack Citrin, professor of the graduate school political science department at the University of California, Berkeley. “And the narrowness of her base, really, made it impossible for her to win.”
 
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