BREAKING!!! TRUMP PARDONS ARPAIO!!!

[Ender]

Is your incessant posting about police abuse intended to be a joke of some kind?

If not, how is it that you're defending this $#@!?

There's no way in hell or high water that AF is defending Trump pardoning Arpaio. He asking for pardons for people that SHOULD have one.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Is your incessant posting about police abuse intended to be a joke of some kind?

If not, how is it that you're defending this $#@!?

He called for pardons of others, he never defended Arpaio.

Arpio vs. the liberals reminds me of an old saying of mine: When dragons fight the peasant's houses burn.

Neither side is right and I refuse to defend either one.

Not surprised Dump pardoned him though.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

There's no way in hell or high water that AF is defending Trump pardoning Arpaio. He asking for pardons for people that SHOULD have one.

What does this mean?

OK, so let's keep the ball rolling:

Ed Snowden.

All the Bundy people.

Ed and Elaine Brown.

Give me time, I'll come up with a comprehensive list.

I'll be happy to have Anti-Federalist explain to me that he didn't mean what he appeared to mean.

 

[juleswin]

What does this mean?



I'll be happy to have Anti-Federalist explain to me that he didn't mean what he appeared to mean.

That's how I understood it. He didn't seem to have any issues with the pardon, just wished Trump would pardon more people along with Arpaio which wouldn't happen

 

[r3volution 3.0]

That's how I understood it. He didn't seem to have any issues with the pardon, just wished Trump would pardon more people along with Arpaio which wouldn't happen

Precisely

There really is no other explanation, other than that AF is an idiot, which he isn't.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What does this mean?



I'll be happy to have Anti-Federalist explain to me that he didn't mean what he appeared to mean.

That's how I understood it. He didn't seem to have any issues with the pardon, just wished Trump would pardon more people along with Arpaio which wouldn't happen

He made no comment about the pardon of Arpio (probably because his opinion of the "law and order" cops is obvious from his posting history), but expressed the wish that while Dump was in a mood to issue pardons he should issue them for people he believes deserve them.

 

[Ender]

What does this mean?



I'll be happy to have Anti-Federalist explain to me that he didn't mean what he appeared to mean.

"Keeping the ball rolling" is a bit of sarcasm leading to talk about those that actually deserve a pardon. Maybe Trump outta actually pardon those that the gov is trying to destroy.

 

[anaconda]

Arpaio is a fascist.

His wiki page makes it pretty clear he was a complete dick.

 

[anaconda]

OK, so let's keep the ball rolling:

Ed Snowden.

All the Bundy people.

Ed and Elaine Brown.

Give me time, I'll come up with a comprehensive list.

Reparations for Wesley Snipes.

 

[TheTexan]

Seriously don't know why Trump hates Snowden so much though.

It's because Snowden hates America

 

[Antischism]

Garbage human being pardoned by another garbage human being. No surprises.

 

[Schifference]

AF must be some type of political figure. Now he has all sorts of people explaining what his statement meant.

 

[jmdrake]

AF must be some type of political figure. Now he has all sorts of people explaining what his statement meant.

+rep! AF for presisdent!

 

[jmdrake]

Precisely

There really is no other explanation, other than that AF is an idiot, which he isn't.

Well I'll speak for myself. I have issues with Sheriff Airpaio's "conviction" even though I don't like the man. He got "convicted" for contempt of court for doing in Latino communities what is common practice in black and other communities. His deputies would pull over Latinos for minor infractions (busted tail light, running a stop sign, whatever) and then ask "what is your immigration status." Where I live I've seen officers pull people over for supposedly having their windows tinted too dark, never issue a ticket for the windows being too dark, never even do a field test to show they were too dark, and then proceed to ask "Do you have drugs in the car?" By this time they've run the license and/or plates so if this person has prior drug convictions, all of a sudden that morphs to "probable cause" to search the car, or at least that's what the people being searched fear. Most people say "Sure search the car" or fess up to drugs if they have them. Those who say no are bullied by the "I can just hold you hear and go get a warrant" line, which is really a bluff, but most people don't know that. In one case the so called busted tail light was shown not to actually be busted upon investigation, but the judge still upheld the stop and search based on the theory that "Well maybe the taillight worked intermittently." Oh yeah, and it's black and white police officers doing this crap. So pardon me (no pun intended) for not begin outraged over Sheriff Arpaio simply doing what cops do because the left all of a sudden feels that illegal immigrants are the new victim supreme. Had Sheriff Arpaio been convicted for his drug warrior antics, then yeah, I'd be upset over him being pardoned.

That said, there are a lot of people that actually deserve a pardon. And AF gave a short list.

 

[Ender]

+rep! AF for presisdent!

I'll take him any day.

 

[pcosmar]

Is your incessant posting about police abuse intended to be a joke of some kind?

If not, how is it that you're defending this $#@!?

Because as a Prohibited Person, I would like one.
And he knows that.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Trump keeps another campaign promise- "Just knock the crap out of them. I will pay your fines. Don't worry about it!"

We need a bigger, more beautiful police state.

 

[Swordsmyth]

+rep! AF for presisdent!

He would get my vote.

 

[Swordsmyth]

[h=1]Facts don't matter to either side of the Arpaio pardon debate[/h]
The conviction of former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio for criminal contempt is being serially misrepresented. The misrepresentations are material to the question of whether President Donald Trump should have pardoned Arpaio.
Arpaio’s criminal conviction is routinely, in fact almost invariably, described in one of two ways. Either that he continued to engage in racial profiling despite a court order to stop. Or that he continued with immigration sweeps contrary to a court order to abandon them.
Both descriptions are inaccurate and misleading.
[h=2]He was ordered not to enforce federal law[/h]In the underlying civil case, federal Judge G. Murray Snow did find that Arpaio had unconstitutionally used race in making traffic stops in an effort to find illegal immigrants. In fact, it was the central finding in the civil case.
Snow’s remedial orders, however, went far beyond simply forbidding the use of race in initial traffic stops. He ordered Arpaio to get out of the immigration enforcement business altogether. Even with a legal stop, Arpaio was to either charge people with a state crime or let them go. No detaining them or turning them over to federal officials for immigration violations.
It was this edict to get out of the immigration business altogether that federal Judge Susan Bolton found Arpaio in criminal contempt for violating.

However, Bolton’s decision does not include a finding that the sheriff’s office continued to illegally use race in initial stops, or any other legal problem with the initial stops. It was what the sheriff’s office did after the stop – turn people over to the feds for immigration violations without charging them with state crimes – that Bolton found in criminal contempt of Snow’s civil orders.


Federal law explicitly authorizes local law enforcement to communicate with federal officials about the immigration status of those they encounter. State law requires local law enforcement to follow up on reasonable suspicion of illegal presence when practical to do so.
So, arguably, Snow’s order prohibited Arpaio from doing what federal law allows and state law mandates. When Trump said in Phoenix that Arpaio was convicted for doing his job, there’s a basis for that point of view.
[h=2]But Arpaio doesn't deserve a pardon[/h]Now, I don’t support a pardon for Arpaio. He was a lousy cop, a crummy administrator and a menace to the rule of law.
Singling out people based on their race for disproportionate law enforcement scrutiny, as Arpaio unquestionably did with his immigration sweeps, violates the fundamental founding principles of our country.
Before that, Arpaio trampled all over procedural rights and protocols in pursuit of his nutty conspiracy theory, hatched with former County Attorney Andrew Thomas, involving the Board of Supervisors, its staff, and some judges.
And even if Snow’s order was an overreach, Arpaio’s duty was to obey it while appealing it. Arpaio’s career ending with a criminal conviction is fitting.
None of these distinctions and nuances likely entered into Trump’s decision to pardon Arpaio. Arpaio is an important ally and symbol on one of Trump’s signature issues, illegal immigration. The facts don’t matter to him.
By serially misrepresenting what Arpaio was found in criminal contempt for doing, opponents of a pardon have demonstrated that facts don’t matter to them either.

More at: http://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...oe-arpaio-pardon-facts-dont-matter/603064001/

 

[Swordsmyth]

+rep! AF for presisdent!

AF/Oyarde 2020