Breaking: Paris shootings and explosions near Stade de France kill 129

[navy-vet]

I was raised a Lutheran by American born parents in the USA (mother of German Lutheran heritage, and father of English heritage, Southern Baptist). I am currently a non-denominational believer. Just FYI
I harbor no ill will against either the Jews or the Palestinians, although I trust the civilized ones over the savages. I think that our disparity lies there.

In whom we view as being who...

 

[Contumacious]

Greek, I want to hear it in Greek. Then I can say "it's Greek to me man"....
Seriously though it's either your lack of fluency in English, and / or a cognitive dysfunction...
As was said in an old film I enjoyed growing up, "what we have here....is a failure to communicate"...

Typically when you disagree with a message you gather FACTS to either rebut or refute it. You couldn't.

But thank you for clarifying that English Comprehension is not your forte.


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[devil21]

Didn't take long for the videos picking the official story apart to emerge. I'm not sold on it being an outright hoax but the track record is there and the lack of much on-the-ground video, in this age where everyone has a cell phone and videos everything, has left me wondering how many of the media reports are complete fabrications.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Don't know.

But I bet many in France were searching dictionories for same word few years back when we decided to start Iraq war and renamed French Fries. No one is smart all the time.

What does anyone being "smart" or not have to do with it?

My admittedly snarky question was prompted by the bizarreness of playing a song like "Goodbye Stranger" at a "show of solidarity and defiance" in regard to an act of mass murder and its victims - a bizarreness compounded by the fact that the journalist, for some reason, apparently thought it needful to convey that particular datum ...

 

[devil21]

Pretty much sums it up:

 

[navy-vet]

There are supporters of terrorism in here...

 

[devil21]

There are supporters of terrorism in here...

What does that mean? Who?

 

[Contumacious]

There are supporters of terrorism in here...

Yes........I have noticed your tendency to skirt issues You act like you are hiding something.........

 

[osan]

If the guy who broke into your house to shoot you is there because your brother broke into his house 3 days ago, then it's certainly relevant although maybe not immediately relevant.

Not really relevant to the point I was trying to make, but well taken in any event.

We have to deal with the security situation and the causes. Blowback is not a fairy tale. We have to see the whole situation. Bailing out the water is pretty futile if you don't plug the hole. And plugging the hole has everything to do with stopping foreign policies and actions that give terrorist forces the moral leverage to easily radicalize people.

Your tacit premise here may not in fact hold. I am reading this to mean that faulty foreign policy is the root of the evil with which we must now contend. It MAY be true, but what if it is not? What if the policies to which you refer have served only as grease for skids that were going to slide down the ways eventually in any event? What if the truth is that both the foreign policy, and more importantly, the nature of Islam are the salient determining factors of how some operators proceed? Do not be too keen to assess Islam as the innocent or at least impotent factor in this. I cannot accept that at this juncture. Stick your snoot into Qur'an and you will see why such dismissal is deeply ill-advised.

You may not be "wrong", but perhaps your analysis is not quite complete? Just a thought.

Where are the sanctions on countries buying oil from terrorist controlled fields?

$64 question, that. Do we even know which nations are doing the purchasing? What if it's China?

One simple fact like that seen by would be terrorists thinking about joining goes a long way towards painting the West as evil. Then it's off to the internet to confirm evil U.S. imperialism. Adopting Islam and chanting "Allahu Akbar" is the easy part. They do love those religious guys though more, I'm sure, compared to the vast majority of fighters who are simply mercenaries looking for a paycheck, as those doofuses are more useful for high profile attacks that will likely end in their death.

Again, your point is well taken, but I believe there is more to it than just that. In this that you cite, we have given them at least some of the rope by which they seek to hang us. But there has to have been a core drive somewhere, in SOMEONE, to conquer. You must bear in mind that this whole deal is not just a giant case of mere vengeance. This is CONQUEST. Vengeance is but one of the facets being employed to keep the troops motivated. The real seed here is the conversion of the entire world to the law of the prophet. Vengeance cannot sustain the monument of the actions we are seeing. People get their fill and grow either weary or are sated and that is the end of it. But give them a far broader and DEEPER objective, and they will go on for a lifetime, generation over generation.

I don't buy that this ISIS creature which is obviously funded in various ways by nation states is really some manifestation of "true Islam". I've read a few issues of Dabiq magazine. I've read about their sex slave bazaar in Mosul. You gotta do a lot of scripture twisting even for the Koran to justify the level of depravity they are practicing. Islam is a convenient tool to mask the true nature of proxy terrorism by many actors and grease the skids for some disgruntled youth seeking revenge and glory.

Doesn't matter what YOU believe. What matters is what THEY believe. Our opinions and views on this are irrelevant to the actions THEY will take. This is a real deal, no bullshit HOLY WAR, for heaven's sake. People need to see this, understand what it means in all its implications, and make a decision on where they stand because there is no sitting this one out, I suspect. When was the last time a real holy war was fought? I cannot even say, but I suspect it was notably prior to the time of anyone living today. That may be more significant than most people realize. If only 1 in 100 Muslims sign on to this notion of fulfilling God's will as expressed in prophesy, that is a 130 MILLION man army. We need to sit quietly awhile, open up our imaginations wide, and think about what that really entails, and where it would likely lead.

We are treading the edge of a razor blade whilst juggling bowling balls.

 

[UWDude]

It MAY be true, but what if it is not?

It is. The rest of your "what ifs" are whimsical nonsense because they are not based on the truth.

You may not be "wrong", but perhaps your analysis is not quite complete? Just a thought.

I have explained why, since the beginning, since 2003.

Doesn't matter what YOU believe. What matters is what THEY believe. Our opinions and views on this are irrelevant to the actions THEY will take. This is a real deal, no bullshit HOLY WAR, for heaven's sake. People need to see this, understand what it means in all its implications, and make a decision on where they stand because there is no sitting this one out, I suspect. When was the last time a real holy war was fought? I cannot even say, but I suspect it was notably prior to the time of anyone living today. That may be more significant than most people realize. If only 1 in 100 Muslims sign on to this notion of fulfilling God's will as expressed in prophesy, that is a 130 MILLION man army. We need to sit quietly awhile, open up our imaginations wide, and think about what that really entails, and where it would likely lead.

We are treading the edge of a razor blade whilst juggling bowling balls.

Why should I care if one bloodthirsty army rises to crush another? That is the result of war. You all started the war, now burn in the fires you created. Osan, you still old enough to fight? Good, because you are sounding an alarm for something that is inevitable. Your wars did start a holy war, and no, there will be no end to it. That's called BLOWBACK. There is no "what ifs", and there is no "we just need to alert the people to stop it", it is already too late.

And this holy war is going to be the lesser of your major concerns... ...the lesser! As you burn yourselves with hatred. Burn mankind, burn in hatred. Burn.

Good job, dumb fucks. You ruined the world. Now you gonna go and cry about it.

 

[devil21]

Ooops. Propaganda fail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-bath-selfie-mistaken-identity_n_8635894.html

The Daily Mail has come under fire for publishing a Moroccan woman's innocent bath selfie, wrongly depicting her as Europe's so-called "first female suicide bomber".

The tabloid was duped into printing a photo of who it claimed was Hasna Ait Boulahcen, a now deceased suspect in the Paris attacks investigation.

"EXCLUSIVE," the paper's online splash claimed last week. "Extraordinary selfie of Europe's first female suicide bomber shows the jihadi who never read the Koran, liked to drink and smoke and had a reputation for lots of boyfriend."

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[UWDude]

Ooops. Propaganda fail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-bath-selfie-mistaken-identity_n_8635894.html

Yup.

And when the French Secret Service said they had been tracking her for months... ...the jig was up.
First they tried to say she had somehow turned into a pious muslim radical last month, but more selfies arrived, and it was obvious they were full of shit.
After that, they changed their story. Now they said she was blown up by the man next to her, not that she blew up herself, as they were originally reporting.